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 Posted: 01:32 - 07 Jul 2014 Post subject: Hi, I'm the inventor of the Helmet Hook and I was wondering. |
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Hi, my name is George and last Christmas, I invented something called the Helmet Hook. It's a simple hook that you attach to the end of your handlebar to hang your helmet on and I wanted to introduce myself and ask if I can post something about my product in this forum together with some kind of discount coupon for free shipping or something.
I am in the USA so the coupon would save you from having to pay $4 for shipping to the UK. I DO also have a local reseller.
Also, to who this matters, I DO give part of my sales to animal rescues and I have an animal rescue page on my site if anyone else would like to make a donation (Directly to the rescues, NOT to me. I do my own donations from the profits..)
Here's a revue done by American V-Magazine (note that there are different versions of the Helmet Hook for bikes with and without bar ends or handguards). https://americanv.blazestage.com/post/helmet-hook?from=91925
Thanks and ride safely.
George ____________________ Inventor of The Helmet Hook
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I didn't know this myself but a customer recently told me that I should add this info to my site and apparently, here's what's wrong (quote from my site)..
Did you know that when hanging your helmet on your rear view mirrors or even the bar end weights on your handlebar, you risk crushing the helmet liner which will lower it's ability to protect your head. Arai even says so in their helmet manuals. Please see page 11 in their online manual https://www.araiamericas.com/assets/base/image/html/PDFs/XD3_Manual.pdf. Click https://www.extuff.biz/helmethook/Arai-Helmet-Hook-Warning.jpg for a screen capture of that page.
By the way, those look like my Aprilia mirrors and I've made the mistake to hang my helmet on there many times only to have it fall off as soon as I just moved the bike a little bit. This was BEFORE I knew about possibly damaging the interior and this is how I came up with the idea. I got so sick and tired of my helmet falling off all the time. Bottom line is, no matter how many alternative spots you can find to put it, there really ISN'T a good place to hang your helmet.
George ____________________ Inventor of The Helmet Hook |
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Just aswell my helmet is a Shark helmet then phewww.
I googled helmet hook and it brings up a few different ones yours seems to be the most straight forward but there are some nice bar end variants.
It's not something I'd buy into myself I'd still hang mine on the mirror via the straps but I hope it's prosperous for you.  ____________________ Current: Honda Nsr 125
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| pinkyfloyd wrote: | You've invented something, while clever, did not need inventing. These days most bikes come with a helmet attachment under the seat. I have had one on the last 3 bikes I have owned and the dates of the machines manufacture were 1991. 1999 and 2013. |
+1
Just about every road bike I have ever had has had a 'Helmet Lock', and that takes you back to bike built since about 1975!
Most were designed to lock through the D or a double-D strap fastener, and hang the hat off the strap.
When I first bought a Shoei in err. 1987 I think it was, the 'Seat-Belt' buckle on it's strap was something of a novelty, but they actually put a D-ring on the strap, which was actually marked, in the user manual... as 'Motorcycle attachment Ring'
| Quote: | The Helmet Hook comes from a friend of mine in the US, George Penev, who designed and patented the Helmet Hook and sells them for US$15.95. |
To be honest, I am stunned you have a patent, on something that has existed for forty years, is a standard feature on many motorcycles, and is essentially a bit of iron-mongery I could pick up in any hardware store... since before even the motorcycle, let alone it's safety helmet was invented!
Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?
But sorry, I wont be paying $16 for one, when I can use the one fiited as standard to my bike, which had advantage of actually locking my hat to the bike, as well. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Well, I've discussed this (and so have many of my customers) in several forums, many times. When it comes to the helmet hook, there generally seems to be two kinds of people (and no offense by the way), those that immediately see the need and obvious use for it and those that don't. I've had people post anything including how they can just do this and that to accomplish the same thing and sure, you can even take a steel wire and wrap it around the handlebar to do the same thing but for the cost of the helmet hook, I don't see it.
Yes, many bikes have a helmet lock but that usually requires locking the handlebar, taking the key out, going to the lock, unlocking it and so on. I myself have a top box that holds two full size helmets but again, not as simple. The helmet hook was meant to make things simple for you, just take it off and hang it on your handlebars while you get gas, talk to someone or whatever.
I can easily think of at least ten reasons I've heard why NOT to get a helmet hook (you know, using other options) but I've never had one person that bought one that has come back to me saying anything negative. There is a long sales thread on the ADVForum and not one single negative comment. Bottom line is, you either like the idea and you think it's worth it or you don't and you instead choose to do any other action/option. By the way, my 1986 ZX-10 had a helmet lock and while that worked, if I had had a helmet hook, I would have used it too.
Bottom line is, there are always OTHER options. Are they better, well, that's for each one to decide and although I have numerous comments from users, again, that hardly matters.
By the way, I did want to know if I could post a sales thread somewhere in the forum...
Thanks
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Nice to know you have many satisfied customers. Doesn't really answer my question though;
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval? |
Still unanswered; and is a genuine question, since I tried to patent the Disc-Lock circa 1990, when there was nothing like it available and I was studying Mech-Eng at Uni, and rather peeved trying top lug a ruddy great chain about... So I do have a real interest in your patent.
As for my lack of enthusiasm to use your product; 'no offence', but sorry no I dont see a 'need'.. curiously I haven't 'needed' a helmet hanging hook, and have managed to live without one quite well for, oooh... thirty odd years of motorcycling; so I'd suggest that no-one actually 'needs' one; some people may see one as 'useful', in the same way I find a cargo-net quite helpful, or my little Wee-Willy visor cleaning kit; but, filling with gas? Talking to people... err.. never really found so many cases the lack of convenient place to hang my hat as ever been so much of an 'inconvenience' to me that I ever thought, 'Oh I wish I had somewhere I could hang my helmet'... and that includes five years as a motorcycle instructor, stopping every ten minutes to talk to students, or standing around on the side-walk watching them do U-Turns and e-stops and stuff. But hey-ho, if other folk see the benefit, each to thier own.
Still interested to know how you have got a patent on the thing, though.
As for 'Spam' on this forum... no, talk to Korn, the site owner; he may make an exception; the chap that invented the scanview blind-spot mirror was a long standing forum member, before he tried marketing his genuinely novel innovation, and was allowed to poll members to get ahead buyers for the prototype batch... but for some-one popping up explicitly to flog us something... I suspect you will have to pay for any advertising. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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i have one on each side of my suzuki burgman and can fit two lids under the seat
also every bike i have owned had a metel ring on it for locking the bike to somthing also ideal for locking the lid to the scoot ____________________ gilera runner vxr200 (chavped)
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| Itchy wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval? | Think Apple, they claim to have invented all sorts of stuff which they simply stole and or refined from other companies and inventors. | Yup, US Patent office has, in recent years become remarkably accommodating of US 'Inventors' applications, and the fundemental rules applied to patents been scrutinised even in US media, where US corporations, desperate to protect the cash-cow home market have been playing the patent and trade-mark 'game' and gaining 'new' patents to effectively extend patent period, or even 'steal' concept rights through splitting hairs of symentics in legalese.
He's 'invented' a hook. to patent it, would require demonstrating that no previouse device ever existed before... I don't think so... hooks have been around since the stone age; I have a row of them on a beam in my kitchen with sauce-pans hanging from them, not dissimilar to similar 'hooks' I have seen in medieval kitchens.
So, got to be more specific... he's invented a hook that can be attached to a motorbike... again.. not really specific enough, and again can be demonstrated there have been hooks attached to motorbikes, PRETTY much since motorbikes wee invented...
A hook to attach to a motorbike, to which a helmet may be suspended? More specific.. but as both Pinky and myself pointed out, and this 'inventor' himself admits... such specific hooks have pre-existed his patent application by at LEAST thirty years.
SO, what's the 'framing' that might allow him to claim no previous existence of such a device?
I have a pretty good idea what it may be, TBH, and I also have a pretty good idea that its likely to be quite tenuous, as I know that 'dedicated' handle-bar mounted 'accessory' hooks have been available as after-market accessories for motorcycles since at least the mid 1980's, ostensibly sold as a 'tie-down' point for strapping a bike to a trailer or back of a pick-up or RV, but equally useful for attaching a cargo-net or hanging a coat on... and would only take a photo of some-one to have hung their crash-hat on one to prove 'prior existence'; hence the patent application, to be valid MUST have some VERY carefully framed and incredibly specific framing, to justify its 'unique and innovative' content, to be Valid...
However, this is where it's being exploited in the US; Patent Applicant isn't required to dis-prove 'prior existence', merely justify their belief their innovation is sufficiently 'novel' for US patent office to accept and grant the US Patent. US Patent is then circulated to world-wide patent offices; for reference, and to provide evidence of 'prior existence' against foreign patent applications of a similar product, and lever world-wide patent rights on the basis of the US one...
Which may be utterly refutable... BUT, doesn't matter; once patent has been granted, up to any-one offering a similar product to defend themselves against a Patent Infringement claim... NOT for patent applicant to PROVE they have actually invented something!
AND, usually far cheaper to 'Buy Off' a US Patent holder, with an out of court settlement, then fight it through the courts
But, whatever my suspicions, and whatever my cynical view of US Patent law may be.... remains, I am genuinely interested in how he has gained a genuine Patent Approval, as claimed.... it must be a piece of precision semantics worthy of a master of bureaucracy! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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So it's a hook to do the job of holding my helmet while I get sorted, not to secure the helmet while I shop / at work
My garden table also holds my bag and my gloves at the same time as can my wheelie bin lid if I'm returning home and not opened the gate
Most petrol pumps have a flat surface that works nicely
I've yet to own a helmet with a D ring ____________________ Looking to pass your CBT / Bike tests in Bury Lancashire? try www.focusridertraining.co.uk Would recommend.
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I'm sure my mate's '74 CB125S has a helmet lock. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 4 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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