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PostPosted: 11:27 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Bike test numbers drop Reply with quote

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/bike-test-numbers-plummet/25199.html

Just noticed this on Visordown.

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During the 2012/13 period, some 66,050 people took the ‘module 1’ practical test, while 65,128 took ‘module 2’. During the equivalent period in 2013/14, that’s dropped to 46,263 candidates for module 1 and 43,475 candidates for module 2.


I see Rog's already posted on the comments.

Also having seen this, https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=291484 I can understand why the situation is such a minefield.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Bike test numbers drop Reply with quote

Hokum wrote:
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/bike-test-numbers-plummet/25199.html
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I see Rog's already posted on the comments...
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Well, I'm sure our representatives in MAG and BMF are all over it, rather than investing all of their time and their members' money into organising piss ups for superannuated Harley riders. Certain, I am.

Posted: 28/06/2014 at 12:48
Now, I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to have a national body able to lobby for law changes and motorcyclist rights. Maybe even organise some sort of action. That would be so good to have. Nah! you're right, will never happen, a pipe dream.

FWIW at time of typing MAG hasn't updated its news site since 12-05-14. Finger on the pulse? It's summer though, everyone must be out riding and going to MAG organised rallys, no new news here! Rolling Eyes

To compare the BMF, according to their site, hasn't issued a news release since 05/09/12. Also according to the BMF the reasons for joining are
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Get a quarterly 27+ page magazine!
Get discounted BMF show tickets in advance!
Get money off services, tours and holidays!
Support the rights of motorcyclists on the roads!
Rider's rights, last on the list! More interested in touting the magazine (with adverts no doubt), shows and services Rolling Eyes

I'd think MAG/BMF is all a bad joke. I think those that make policy/decisions also would think that. Sad. I can't see an alternative. Maybe that Charley guy with his mate Ewan should start something with his/their celebrity status and get into No. 10 free pass?
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet the amount of CBT's has gone up. The last 12-18 months the number of people riding on L plates seems to have hugely increased around my corner of Wiltshire.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
I bet the amount of CBT's has gone up. The last 12-18 months the number of people riding on L plates seems to have hugely increased around my corner of Wiltshire.


I think that's the issue, with the new tests people are just sitting on L's as going for a licence makes bugger all difference.

Oh joy I can take off the L's and go on motorways on a bike not capable of sustaining motorway speeds...
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just riding 50cc scoots as cheap transport. Easier and cheaper to retake the CBT every 2 years than bother going for a full licence now.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Or just riding 50cc scoots as cheap transport. Easier and cheaper to retake the CBT every 2 years than bother going for a full licence now.

I think I've posted this before. I overheard checkout operator talking to her colleague. She was going for her bike test at the weekend. Then she'd have cheap transport to work. She was happy as easy to get and she wouldn't have to take it again for another 2 years Rolling Eyes

So CBT would appear the norm. Glad my lad is looking at the A1/A2 route as he's finally listening to my cries of "get a bigger bike, they're actually easier to ride and safer". Although as posted above he can also see the benefit of riding on L plates until 24 and then only doing one test.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I've posted this before. I overheard checkout operator talking to her colleague. She was going for her bike test at the weekend. Then she'd have cheap transport to work. She was happy as easy to get and she wouldn't have to take it again for another 2 years Rolling Eyes


Also don't forget, Car licence + CBT = Moped licence, or at least it used to.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokum wrote:
Also don't forget, Car licence + CBT = Moped licence, or at least it used to.

Not since 2001.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still on my CBT nearly 4 years on, will probably just redo it again when the time comes shortly.
The L plates piss me off, and I do intend to do my full test sooner or later, but cost... time-wise and financially, meh.
From what I gather, insurance doesn't really drop for doing the full test anyway, so why bother 'til I need a big bike?
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
why bother 'til I need a big bike?

Very few people need a big bike.

Have you ridden one?

Best thing bike schools could do for business is to give eternal CBTers 5 minutes on a 500+ bike. Whistle
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:
why bother 'til I need a big bike?

Very few people need a big bike.

Have you ridden one?

Best thing bike schools could do for business is to give eternal CBTers 5 minutes on a 500+ bike. Whistle


I think part of me has genuine concern that once I've ridden a big bike, I will ditch this P.O.S. in a lay-by Very Happy
I currently don't have the space for anything bigger than a CG where I live.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of friends younger than 19 that have done their tests under the new laws.

I personally can't see the point.

Their only reason was so they could take their L plates off and occasionally take a pillion.

But the cost of the test just isn't worth that, considering one of them is craving more power and has to do the tests all over again just so he can get a Honda Bro's he wants.

He's a sensible lad and I'd deem him capable of riding the Bro's at his current age which he would have been able to do under the old laws.

Like others have said, it sounds more like the EU lot doing it to show they are doing something. As I can't really see it being in the name of safety.

The whole safety aspect is thrown out the window as I have older friends who have done DAS and run out and got the most powerful thing they can insure yet can't ride for shit. Doesn't matter if they are more sensible, people make mistakes and the old working your way up to a bigger bike works a whole lot better. The current system just drags the old system on for longer and costs more money. It's just a faff now.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:

I think part of me has genuine concern that once I've ridden a big bike, I will ditch this P.O.S. in a lay-by Very Happy
I currently don't have the space for anything bigger than a CG where I live.


Once I'd ridden a bigger bike riding the cbf was painful - I held out for as long as possible but caved in the end.

However, I'd happily go and ride a 125 now, but only as an option.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
So long as they keep allowing 17 year old Timothy to drive daddy's Porsche 911 the bike test laws will be held in the contempt they deserve.


Exactly.

I've got friends who have had a car licence since 17 but I've probably done around 5x the mileage they have in a wider variety of weather conditions.

Except, because they have had their licence longer, they are deemed qualified to drive some pretty powerful cars.

Where I'm deemed as a risk in some slow as shit 1 litre car as I've just passed my car test. Even though I've been whizzing around on bikes for 5 years.

Surely I'm more qualified than they are?
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Difference is that very few kids do jump into supercars (they seem quite capable of making enough of a mess with a basic shopping car), but with bikes it has happened a hell of a lot more. Go into a 60mph bend at 100mph on a 1000 or 125 and you are equally stuffed, but the litre bike makes it easier, but more importantly makes it more obvious to those clearing up the mess.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:54 - 05 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Go into a 60mph bend at 100mph on a 1000 or 125


100mph on 125 that is not going to happen Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 05 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

valko wrote:
Kickstart wrote:


Go into a 60mph bend at 100mph on a 1000 or 125


100mph on 125 that is not going to happen Rolling Eyes


It can easily be achieved on a 2 stroke 125?
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

valko wrote:

100mph on 125 that is not going to happen Rolling Eyes


With effort, yes it is going to happen. The performance 2 stroke will get within a gnats of it in neutral conditions, so minor tail wind or slight down hill and 100mph ceases to be a problem.

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PostPosted: 10:47 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Very few people need a big bike.


I do. In the sense of bigger than a 125. I do a lot of motorway mileage and I wouldn't fancy having the throttle pinned at 70mph, as that effectively removes one of my options to avoid a hazard.

krarkol wrote:
I've got friends who have had a car licence since 17 but I've probably done around 5x the mileage they have in a wider variety of weather conditions.

Except, because they have had their licence longer, they are deemed qualified to drive some pretty powerful cars.

Where I'm deemed as a risk in some slow as shit 1 litre car as I've just passed my car test. Even though I've been whizzing around on bikes for 5 years.

Surely I'm more qualified than they are?


I'm the other way around. Had a car licence since I was 17, but I'm not fully trusted on two wheels.

You know the only other thing that you have to be 24 to earn your entitlement is a bus? By that logic, a bike will cause equal third party damage to a yoof driving a bus.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:

You know the only other thing that you have to be 24 to earn your entitlement is a bus? By that logic, a bike will cause equal third party damage to a yoof driving a bus.


I caught a double decker to Manchester and it was sat at 50mph quite comfortably on the motorway (might have been an A road though, was too busy drinking beer Laughing)

Imagine letting loose a 17 year old in a bus capable of 50mph and one on a 600cc bike doing 100mph. Both hit a building...which one will cause the most damage?
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:

Imagine letting loose a 17 year old in a bus capable of 50mph and one on a 600cc bike doing 100mph. Both hit a building...which one will cause the most damage?


Think of the Kittens.

Tbh it fucking silly,
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Pass motorcycle test on whatever bike.
Age,
17-19, 125cc
19-21, 500cc
21+ what the fuck you like.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokum wrote:


Think of the Kittens.

Tbh it fucking silly,
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Pass motorcycle test on whatever bike.
Age,
17-19, 125cc
19-21, 500cc
21+ what the fuck you like.


No.

It should be:

Pass test
Buy whatever motorcycle you like



If you manage you potato yourself, it's down to the rider, not the bike.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:

Aye but then you get the parents moaning like fuck to the government why they allowed their son to do this, and that's why we're in this situation


Meh.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Aye but then you get the parents moaning like fuck to the government why they allowed their son to do this, and that's why we're in this situation

That's what will do for soLo riding on a provisional sooner or later. "Why oh why did you let Little Dead Johnny out on that death machine with just a few hours training?"

Give the figures a while to shake out, and there will be rise in the number deaths and KSIs among "unlicensed" (i.e. provisional) riders, even if the total number potatoing themselves doesn't change.
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