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PostPosted: 16:38 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, ideas? Reply with quote

Well I'm about to do a 300 mile journey on a little gz 125 and want to put together a lightweight(ish) kit that will cover most common problems just in case they occur. I've taken advice I've seen on this website and added in some of my own ideas. So far I've got,

Correct size spanners for adjusting chain.
GT85 and Chain lube.
A can of tyreweld, a tyre pressure gauge and thinking about taking a mini portable air compressor I've got.
An allen key set.
Screwdriver combi set.
Heavy duty cable ties and decent quality duct tape.
Mole grips and a wrench.

Anything else that I should be adding on top of that? I always check my oil level and as always it's between the lower and upper mark, but is it worth bringing along some 4t oil just in case?

Cheers.

Edit: Also have a usb/12v cigarette lighter socket unit wired into the bike with power lead to charge phone/sat nav and to power portable air compressor.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need to take is AA membership card and your favourite credit/debit card
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

raesewell wrote:
All you need to take is AA membership card and your favourite credit/debit card


That's definitely something I'll look at doing in the future but at the moment I'm not really doing enough serious journeys to justify breakdown cover. (Most of my journeys are local and my dad has a van). So at this stage I'm really just looking to be able to carry gear for this one beast of a journey so if something does go wrong I have a fighting chance of being able to sort it myself.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

extra battery/emergency charger battery thingy for you phone. its surprising how quickly modern phones can go dead when making lots of calls. it also means you will get longer playing games while waiting for breakdown to arrive
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
extra battery/emergency charger battery thingy for you phone. its surprising how quickly modern phones can go dead when making lots of calls. it also means you will get longer playing games while waiting for breakdown to arrive


Already got a cigarette and usb power socket wired into the bike(with shut off switch of course so it doesn't drain the battery). So should anything go wrong and my (crap) mechanical skills fail at least I will, like you say, be able to play some games Laughing Got a decent thermos as well for that purpose.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditch the tyre weld and get a puncture repair kit with the air canisters in it as a lot of tyre places will either charge you extra or not bother to repair a tyre that has had weld used on it. A good kit will give you stuff to fix tubed and tubeless tyres then you can just replace bits as you use it.

I am basing this on experience with the tyre shops where I live who refuse to deal with weld unless they charge extra. The place I normally go to told me to not even bother with it.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
Ditch the tyre weld and get a puncture repair kit with the air canisters in it as a lot of tyre places will either charge you extra or not bother to repair a tyre that has had weld used on it. A good kit will give you stuff to fix tubed and tubeless tyres then you can just replace bits as you use it.

I am basing this on experience with the tyre shops where I live who refuse to deal with weld unless they charge extra. The place I normally go to told me to not even bother with it.


Cheers for the advice, I'll look into getting a puncture repair kit instead then.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

alex965 wrote:

A can of tyreweld


no use on a tubed tyre.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My tool kit:-

An RAC card
A fully charged phone
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
alex965 wrote:

A can of tyreweld


no use on a tubed tyre.


As far as I'm aware both tyres on my bike are tubeless.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

alex965 wrote:


As far as I'm aware both tyres on my bike are tubeless.


spokes or cast wheels ?
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
alex965 wrote:


As far as I'm aware both tyres on my bike are tubeless.


spokes or cast wheels ?


Spokes. I'm going to go and double check the tyres now. I remember them having tubeless written on them but I might have done a silly.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

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Spokes. I'm going to go and double check the tyres now. I remember them having tubeless written on them but I might have done a silly.


it is not unheard of for a bike with spokes to have tub less tires but usually on bigger bikes ...
have you a pic of wheel where spokes join rim ?
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Putting together a 'breakdown' kit for long journeys, id Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
alex965 wrote:


Spokes. I'm going to go and double check the tyres now. I remember them having tubeless written on them but I might have done a silly.


it is not unheard of for a bike with spokes to have tub less tires but usually on bigger bikes ...
have you a pic of wheel where spokes join rim ?


Have just checked, front tyre is tubed, rear tyre is tubeless. It's a good job you highlighted that tyreweld won't work for tubed tyres. I'll have to get a puncture repair kit otherwise I'd better hope I only get a rear puncture Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

300 miles on a 125?

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PostPosted: 17:51 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:


Laughing After 120 miles in one day on the thing I ended up walking like I'd shit myself for a day afterwards. 300 miles is going to be interesting.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

may have a tube-less tire but I bet its fitted wit a tube inside.
£2.29

https://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab232/copycat73/kit.jpg
Use the tools inside as tire leavers

https://www.wilko.com/bike-parts+accessories/wilko-deluxe-puncture-repair-kit/invt/0198903?VBMST=puncture repair kit

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PostPosted: 18:03 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both tyres are tubed on your bike. The one which says "tubeless" on it also has a tube in, otherwise the air would escape through the holes the spokes go through.

You need to decide if you're going to go equipped to repair a flat tyre or not.

If you are, you're going to need tyre levers, a pump, enough tools to remove the wheel, a little bit of soap to reseat the beads, a puncture repair kit or spare tube* and the knowledge of how to use them to fix your bike. I also find my little tool for pulling the valve through invaluable.

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 300 mile run. Or you can hope you don't get a puncture, which is most likely to be the case.

Even then, it's probably going to allow you to limp to a compressor. Not many pumps you'd carry on the bike can seat the bead properly. Took my enfield rear tyre up to 90psi with the valve core out to seat it properly last time.

In terms of other stuff. On my enfield I carry a comprehensive toolkit. On the VFR, in addition to the standard bike toolkit, I carry a cable repair kit and puncture plug kit along with a set of bent but still working handlebar levers under the saddle.

*On about 50% of my punctures, the partially deflated tyre has slipped round on the rim and torn the valve out rendering the tube unrepairable. I carry a spare tube.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leatherman, eyedrops and a wipe for your visor. Other than the AA card I reckon you have it more than covered.

Given that you will be in't saddle for ages I'd let the bike take the weight of your gear - don't use a rucksack....
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
may have a tube-less tire but I bet its fitted wit a tube inside.
£2.29

https://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab232/copycat73/kit.jpg
Use the tools inside as tire leavers

https://www.wilko.com/bike-parts+accessories/wilko-deluxe-puncture-repair-kit/invt/0198903?VBMST=puncture repair kit

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You ARE joking right?

A set of plastic bicycle tyre levers to get a motorcycle tyre over the rim?

You need at least two, big, heavy-duty metal tyre levers at least 6" long. I carry three, two shorties for holding and a big 9" one for levering.

You also need large, heavy-duty patches if you want them to stay on for any length of time.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
may have a tube-less tire but I bet its fitted wit a tube inside.
£2.29

https://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab232/copycat73/kit.jpg
Use the tools inside as tire leavers

https://www.wilko.com/bike-parts+accessories/wilko-deluxe-puncture-repair-kit/invt/0198903?VBMST=puncture repair kit

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Have just done some googling and yeah you are correct, rear tyre is tubed as well. The asda near me do a kit just like the one you linked to for under £5, but it's in the push bike accessories section. Presumably it would still work for motorcycle inner tubes?
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Both tyres are tubed on your bike. The one which says "tubeless" on it also has a tube in, otherwise the air would escape through the holes the spokes go through.

You need to decide if you're going to go equipped to repair a flat tyre or not.

If you are, you're going to need tyre levers, a pump, enough tools to remove the wheel, a little bit of soap to reseat the beads, a puncture repair kit or spare tube* and the knowledge of how to use them to fix your bike. I also find my little tool for pulling the valve through invaluable.

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 300 mile run. Or you can hope you don't get a puncture, which is most likely to be the case.

Even then, it's probably going to allow you to limp to a compressor. Not many pumps you'd carry on the bike can seat the bead properly. Took my enfield rear tyre up to 90psi with the valve core out to seat it properly last time.

In terms of other stuff. On my enfield I carry a comprehensive toolkit. On the VFR, in addition to the standard bike toolkit, I carry a cable repair kit and puncture plug kit along with a set of bent but still working handlebar levers under the saddle.

*On about 50% of my punctures, the partially deflated tyre has slipped round on the rim and torn the valve out rendering the tube unrepairable. I carry a spare tube.


Thanks for all the info, I was a bit naive really thinking a can of tyreweld was going to cover me. I'm still very new to working on and fixing bikes myself so I think it would be a good idea for me to get more experience until I start relying only on my own skills to repair a shagged out tyre on the roadside.

Based on what you've said I think it would be sensible for me to take out some form breakdown cover just in case I get a spot of crap luck and it's something that I don't have the tools, or knowledge to fix at this stage.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 06 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tools are handy anyway, as (a) if you have a problem but don't have the knowledge, someone who stops might have, and (b) you might not have a problem, but could come across someone who does.
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stinkwheel wrote:

You ARE joking right?


oh.. I`ve used worse .. depends if your used to usin your hands for work .. do you do manual labour wit your hands Mr. stinkwheel ?
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The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Tools are handy anyway, as (a) if you have a problem but don't have the knowledge, someone who stops might have, and (b) you might not have a problem, but could come across someone who does.


Yeah, that's a good point. I'm going to take some basic tools and useful bits and bobs and get an AA membership just to make sure I'm covered no matter what. I guess 300 miles isn't exactly a record breaking trek but I really don't want to be caught out just in case.

I'm very glad I started this thread, especially regarding punctures I've got some really useful info. And seeing as the main potential problem is a puncture, I would have been pretty fucked sitting on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere trying to repair a tubed tyre with tyreweld Laughing
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