buggering up braking

[Wonko The Sane]

I really should know and be doing this, however…

There are times when I need to brake a bit harder than I'd like and I find the back end snaking a bit.

How should you brake in the wet if you have to brake hard, I'm obviously doing it wrong?
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[Mikebike]

Don't brake harder in the wet, read the road and brake earlier and smoother. If the back end is snaking you are leaving it too late. Being Rossi on the road will only lead you to 6ft under.

[James83]

I take the view that the back brake is for 3 things

Car park speeds maneuvering when you are new and need the stability
For hill starts until you learn how to use the front brake and throttle at the same time
For thinking "Hmmm, forgot to apply back brake again" just after performing an emergency stop

I long since stopped worrying that I forget about it. As far as I'm concerned, if my rear wheel has enough traction to make a difference during an emergency stop, then its my use of the front brake that needs work
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[Mikebike]

Wow.......really!

[MC]

The rear brakes useful in the wet because you're at greater risk of locking the front in the wet.

Obviously you should be more careful in the wet and try to avoid estop situations, but $hit happens.
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[Mikebike]

No shit Sherlock...is this amateur hour on riding a bike!

If you are braking and the back is snaking then your hazard perception/control is well off. Just because Rossi/Lorenzo or sheene did it doesn't mean you should on a road.

Get some training in roadcraft (look it up) and ride fast but safe unlike most dickheads that think the throttle is an on/off switch.

It's not rocket science and would make your riding faster/smoother/safe and more enjoyable.

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[map]

You do not brake hard as in quickly pull front lever. Best to squeeze and then continue to squeeze.

In the wet, as said, smooth and controlled, reading the road ahead (it's quite hard concentration).

That's what I try anyhow.
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[Mikebike]

Continue a slide......are we talking about supermoto racing at three sisters?

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We are talking anywhere you may wish a slide to continue on any bike you may wish this to happen on.

[Mikebike]

So your not talking on the road then? Or is it just another forum full of people talking bollocks!i

[Wonko The Sane]

It came to light yesterday as I was riding slightly outside my limits trying to catch another biker who's rear lights weren't working in the hope of warning him before he found out the hard way, someone cut him up, he braked (brake light worked but no tail light) so I had to brake harder than I would have otherwise.

I backed off after that as no point me taking us both out just to tell him one of his lights is out. (did manage to catch up safely a bit later and let him know)

My riding is usually more cautious in the wet

I was wondering if I was applying the back brake too early / quick before the front had taken the weight of the bike (I do have a tendency to skid 125's a bit when I jump on one)
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[Wonko The Sane]

[Wonko The Sane]

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When NOT to do it is when you've borrowed a friend's bike that's a heavier tourer rather than your normal GSXR1000 commuter, you've just overtaken another bike and there's snow around. Of course, it could be argued that having experience of doing said manoeuvres already is the reason for not ending up on the deck in such a situation.

Also; can I suggest you visit the tin foil hat current affairs section as well as 'Random Banter' to asses the testicular content.
Much as someone would like, sure it's no /b/, but plenty is available.
Doesn't mean others don't ride bikes.

[pinkyfloyd]

[Wonko The Sane]

[Mikebike]

First off, don't try to keep up with some knobhead who can't even check out his own bike you are not his guardian angel.

Secondly if you are risking your life to do so by riding outside your comfort zone then back off and live another day.

[FlightRisk]

Are you gripping the tank with your knees when you brake, or with arms going rigid on the bars?

If you grip with the knees and stay loose with the bars there's less rotational force so the front should dive less. Just learnt that the other day.

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[Mikebike]

Roadcraft..... Google it. Spend a few quid getting trained to properly ride your bike. Ignore everything you are told on a bollocks forum and learn to ride your bike properly/quickly and safely

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[Andy_Pagin]

I recall a line from Spike Milligan's war memoirs that perfectly sum up how to use brakes.

Spike was doing his basic rifle training and shooting wide of the mark. The sergeant saw that he was snatching the trigger and told him to "squeeze it slowly, like a birds' tits".

Same with braking, squeeze the front brake lever progressively, feeling for the bikes reaction, press the back brake lever just as gently, if either end feels like it's doing something scary then eeze off a bit.
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[Mikebike]

[Pete.]

[notbike]

Is it only me who uses both brakes? This guy I randomly met who has a ZX6R was saying how he's pretty much forgotten about his rear brake and uses almost all front except slow speed.

I still use some back brake all the time, even though I always brake harder with the front brake. Sometimes I do use just front, but it feels sloppy to me to come to a stop with the front only.

When coming to a stop at traffic lights I'll use both brakes and ease off the front brake when I'm slow enough to stop using just the rear + the remainder of the engine braking before clutching in last second.

Real life E-Stops with the adrenaline flowing at the thought of impending doom are almost always a rear brake lock for me, so instead of wasting time practicing E-stops that I will never replicate in a real life situation, I try to use just front only and avoid smashing on the rear brake. (Pointing your bike at the nearest gap that gives you enough run-off is also a good way of avoiding the thing you could be hitting, but only brake in straight lines when braking real hard)

It's funny how everyone suddenly becomes an expert in braking when they talk about close shaves and what not, but really my thought pattern is "STOP. STOP. STOP. AVOID. DONT LOCK UP, DONT LOCK UP, DONT USE REAR, AVOID, SHIT, FUCK ME that was close."

Anyway, go practice braking with an instructor and it'll teach you how to use your brakes better than you could teach yourself with advice from the internetz, if you think it'll help you then why not?