Is it really an influence?

[Mr Pants!]

Sorry, this is a bit of a heavy post, but I am very interested in what you guys think..........?

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm

So do we ban these sort of games? Or would that lead to films being ban as well?

Do these sort of things really influence people, or are they already on the verge of doing something really stupid and the game or film is just a trigger waiting to be pulled?

If this young lad had never played Manhunt, would he have remained a model citizen?
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[Fallen Angel]

Surely having a tighter control over what you allow your children to play with is the answer.

Too many kids these days know too much for their age.

OK, in this case, the guy was 17, but there are loads of young kids out there watching videos they shouldn't be and playing games that they shouldn't be.

Better parental control has to be the answer, surely!
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[Milo]

I say no to ban. there should be tighter restrictions in place but these should not limit what films and games can display - but they should forwarn people buying this material just what content it contains.
We all love gore, but that's probably because it's kind of against the rules when you're little and it makes you feel better as the film/game's rated 18. Or it's just funny when you see splats and bits flying around.

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[sv_cath]

Everyone knows that under 18s watch 18 rated films and play 18 rated games.
Something needs to be done to enforce these age limits.
I know that my little girl will have access to things which aren't suitable for her age when she's older, so as a parent it will be up to me to explain what's real and what's not, and what's right and what's wrong.
Hopefully, that will be enough...

[Ste]

No to banning either of them, but they should use the ratings more, and enforced more as I expect they're there for a reason. Films and games don't encourage you to do stuff, and guns don't kill people people kill people

[Mr Pants!]

Interesting Cath, sounds like you are a very good parent, maybe that 17 year old lads parents were not so careful to explain and left him to get on with it.

Perhaps the parents are more the problem?

I am sure when I was younger if I had tried to watch something that was a cert 18, my parents most definitely would have had words with me!
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[Bendy]

I say no to banning them.

For a start, unless it's a global ban on their very production, people will get hold of them anyway.

But more importantly, it's simply not acceptable to blanket ban something because it's been seen to have influenced one person to do something stupid. The ratings system is there for a reason, and the parents shouldn't have allowed their child to be playing the game in the first place, as he was underage (it was rated 18 I believe). If they weren't trying to blame the game, they'd be trying to blame the music that he listened to or the film he saw last week. I reckon he'd have done it no matter what - maybe the game was a trigger, but if it hadn't been the game it would have been something else soon enough.

Banning games leads to banning films, leads to banning books, leads to trying to censor the internet...

[Mr Pants!]

https://www.play.com/play247.asp?searchtype=PC&searchstring=manhunt&page=search

Yes Bendy, 18....
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[Kris]

The kid should have known right from wrong way before he started playing with the computer game. Can't believe a computer game can be blamed for murder!

The parents should be taking a long hard look at themselves if you ask me. Where are his morals that he should have been taught long ago?
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[Robby]

Just ban stupidity, its far more effective than protecting stupid people from each other.

[sv_cath]

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[Nanohal]

sv_cath wrote :

[Wave2k]

Most great games, have a bit of gore or voilence.

It takes people to know wots a game and what not,
we dont go around steeling cars and going on kill frenzys
well only in america
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[Adam_P]

I think its another case of parents wanting something to blae other than themselves for what has happened.

(And before everyone starts havinga go at me, I know not all parents fall into this category, just some! )

The game in question was clearly marked as 18 classification. He shouldn't have been able to buy a copy. But the problem is that parents think that, "Well, its only a game, it won't hurt."

I don't actually believe that the games themselves promote violence anyway, the people doing it must have a screw loose in the first place to be influenced by a game. It's the divide between reality and games in people's heads that needs looking at. That's a case for doctors, not the games developers.
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[karen_moomin]

I do think that kids nowadays have more access to violent images which in turn must have some sort of influence on them. Whether that be them deeming it an acceptable or purely trying to follow in the footsteps of their role models, be them from a game, film or whatever. I personally think that a lot of it is down to parenting. I'm sure there are plenty of children who play violent games but know right from wrong - due to a good upbringing.

[Visitor Q]

They are just scape goats. ALtho if you recall the power rangers.... with the amount of kids kicking each other in the guts etc at school playtimes.

I think some of the racing games would be a better use of curbing, such as midnight club, GTA3 etc, which convey high speed racing through busy traffic as cool. Maybe therein lies the problem.

However as for violence, i think we are a naturally atavistic and destructive society, it is natural for violence to happen, it is just the ways violence occurs and the gravity of it. Simple beatings in back alleys have been replaced with far more grim copycat styled stuff, such as from american fantasy X or whatever it is called, someone around our way copied the making them put them bite the curb then kicking them in the head. That is grim, and spawned straight from someone watching the film and in the next possible situation trying it out.
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[Faithless]

I say no to banning. I know it's a bit of a cliche to go on about freedom of speech but the fact is it's important. This is just one case of a HIGHLY suggestable kid who took a game a bit too literally. But that should not mean you ban it. This kid was obviously unstable as it is (he got addictted to the game), maybe people should be forced to see a psychiatrist before they can get such games and if they pass and are of sound mind then they get a lil card saying they can buy the games

But seriously i think outright banning is going too far, why should we be restricted to what we see? If we think we can cope with the violence then we should be allowed to buy such games or films. The age limit should be inforced more strictly. But also the parents should watch over their kids. I know mine wouldn't allow me to get addicted to such games. The persons parents must take some of the blame for not noticing their son's homicidal tendancies.
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[tgabber]

The game is an excuse that's all. He might have decided to become a suicide bomber just by watching the news.

There will always be people that commit horrendous crimes. Most of the time these people will seek to blame someone or something else for what they have done, it's human nature.

To be fair we are all products of both our genes and social influences, but it doesn't make sense to single out one influence (and a fantasy one at that). Loads of people have played this game, how many have then gone out and committed murder?
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[zaknafien]

I've been playing violent video games and watching violent films since I was about 7, don't remember killing or ever having the urge to kill a friend.

It's just a scapegoat for others stupidity as has been said.
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[sychosis]

I've played games since I've had a computer, and I haven't felt the urge of going out there and reinacting a part of them. There was something very wrong with this guy before he even played this game.
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[Blue]

I've often felt like dropping bricks on people, but I don't think I can put that down to my obsession with Tetris.

[Adam.I]

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