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stranger12
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: track day bike Reply with quote

Afternoon,

So I have decided to keep my sv650 after not been able to sell it for the amount I wanted .

I am going to use it as track day bike so if you were me what are the thing you would have done to it?

Here is what I am thinking :
1.Change the fork oil due to it been very soft and unpredictable . buy the kit that allows to adjust the dampness.
2.change both tyre to track day tyres.
3.change the clutch and brake to short lever.
4.take all indicator and mirroring off.
5.lower it , is it possible to do it ? it seems really high .


Many thanks
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: track day bike Reply with quote

Better:
1. Sell it for a less than you want and buy a track SV which will also be at a reduced price this time of year.
2. Use the money left over to do more trackdays.

On your points:
Changing fork oil will increase or decrease compression and rebound damping. You can do this with an appropriate replacement cartridge.
First thing would be to get the correct springs for your weight.

I'd only worry with track tyres if you're regularly pushing the limits of your current tyres, no worth spending cash if you're not. I'd stick to part worn track tyres that racers are selling off cheaply..

Never had a problem with full size levers when the brakes are working ok. If your fingers are getting trapped with two finger braking, I'd sort the brakes out.

Might as well take unused stuff off in case you crash, but no biggy.

Most people try to raise stock SV650s, because they tend to be limited in ground clearance. Why would it being high be an issue? The SV is generally considered a low bike (though in reality it's more of a 'not high' bike.)

Best:
1. Buy 600cc sports track bike with spares/wheels package.
2. Ride

However, if you particularly like the SV, plenty are available at decent price; especially at this time of year.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know but I will be taking a great loss , I bought it for 2.5k with £300 spent on it and not prepared to sell it form 1.5

so I have kept it and deciced it will be a track bike.

re spring , I have to take the existing ones off and find out its weight rating . I remember reading a post saying you can find out by measuring the spring or something along those lines.

re damping , mine feels like it has water in it . it is so soft and will bang on any corner or bumber so I think the oil is gone.

next stage will be to get those kits( not sure of the name) which will restrict flow hence helping with damping adjustment
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So instead of taking a monetary loss on that, you're going to spend more more money creating a bike that will likely be worth even less and won't be as suitable as one you could buy already set up?

<shrugs>, it's your money!

If there was water in there, that would explain why you had 'dampness' issues Wink.
However, I think you may have a different issue, I've seen similar symptoms in cases where people, after checking, have found there bike is actually a (road) SV650! It's a remarkably common problem, as it goes and very closely matches your symptoms.

Note that damping controls how FAST the bike goes down (compression) and come back up (rebound).
It does control how FAR, excepting compression for small bumps, of course.
The spring controls the 'far'.

The obvious example here is a long braking zone.
Thicker oil (or adjustable damping turned up) might stop the bike bottoming out in the first half second of braking, but it'll still bottom out after three seconds, say. A stiffer spring will stop it bottoming out.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude , all i need is £200 on suspension and that is it.
don't care on fairing etc and rearset .

be sensable in your response . I am not a potato but rather seeing what is best and if you don't have something nice to say then don't

the bike is 1.4k with gsxr fork (i think) .

i can start by changing oil and having emulator and if that didn't work then gixer fork .
won't sell it as I know mechanicaly my bike is sound .

I have to fix the bike to sell it so that is another £50-100 for fixing it (change the fork oil) and then sell it for 1.5 . Overall a lot of loss and I rather imagine I had it for free and build it as I am happy with its mechanics .

It has k&n , r&g crash bung and few other bits and peices.

@G , I agree sorry didn't mean to say damping will stop the rate of travel but rather saying it takes more force to bottom out .

agree it could be my springs need changing as well.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 04 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see:D

I am to an extend after further thought.

two questions, why would you change the rear shock , for rebound and damping control ?

also re ground clearence, if you lower the bike, I guess you can't lean as much right ?
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 04 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:

two questions, why would you change the rear shock , for rebound and damping control ?

More adjustments, better quality damping, No need to get anything too fancy if it's your first track bike.

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also re ground clearence, if you lower the bike, I guess you can't lean as much right ?

Why are you even considering lowering a track bike?

If you lower it, it will limit maximum lean angle, therefore limit maximum corner speed, it will also affect the weight transfer on braking, it will also make the bike less responsive to steering inputs.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 04 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds to me like you need to learn a fair bit more before getting on track,as above lowering the bike is the opposite if that you'd want to do.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 04 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clicked in now , won't be lowering it
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 04 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much track time do you have?

If not a massive amount, don't waste cash on the bike, get a set of decent tyres, some used track fairings.

Then, spend the rest of the cash on track time instead of upgrades that you won't notice until you improve.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright had a training day today as per my other post and made my mide up re track days. I am going to sell my sv and get a decent track bike
I am thinking r1 or gxer 1000. I have seen r1 on ebay going for 2k 2003 model track ready. It seems rather cheap.

Why do bike loose so much value when tagged as track bike ? It has 28k on the clock

Would you get r1 or gsxr ?

I am thinking i should first sell my sv in march or april when the demand for them raises and then top it up and buy the track bike.

Does track bike value also go up during summer ?
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: track day bike Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:

I am going to use it as track day bike so if you were me what are the thing you would have done to it?

Here is what I am thinking :
buy the kit that allows to adjust the dampness.


This should help Wink










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PostPosted: 20:45 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright , what's ur point ?

Why the f*ck my questions seem silly to you?

Did soon realise track bike are way cheaper and i am throwing my cash away by turning my road bike to track bike and hence why i am asking for advice
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Track bikes often have no V5c and are regularly crashed
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does demand from them change depending on season ?

I am trying to get something cheap but also sell my sv for s reasonable price.

Think should post my sv up around april but not sure if track bike prices also go up by then as more people are buying them fot summer track days etc

The r1 i am looking at has a full race fairing
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

something like this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-R1-2003-track-bike-/331428689931?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4d2ab0780b

it says frame is slightly swelling in the front . is that an issue ?

I am thinking of buying it

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"2003 R1 track bike. Not too pretty but mechanically solid, rides spot on and pulls very well! Scruffy but functional track fairing, bendix pads and can. Has scuffs to tank after lowside at rockingham and slight swelling to frame in front of crash bung. No v5 hence price. May be able to deliver but please ask first. Any questions feel free to call on 07796 883 515"
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't touch any with frame damage.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it impact handling , did offer 1200 and he couter offered for 1500
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No V5 and frame damage, walk away.

Plenty of other choice for £1500.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why most of them dont have v5 ? They are not stollen or something right?


I was a bit tempted by it (price) but ideally need to sell my sv first before buying it
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
Why most of them dont have v5 ? They are not stollen or something right?


I was a bit tempted by it (price) but ideally need to sell my sv first before buying it


Of course its stolen, even if not stolen it isn't kosher.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
Why most of them dont have v5 ? They are not stollen or something right?


Could be stolen, could be a write off that the purchaser of the salvage never bothered sending off for a V5.

Don't get spend happy there are always loads of no v5/slightly bent bikes on eBay so you don't need to rush.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 19 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you want a litre for track.

I've been on 2 track days, both times passed litre bikes on an SV650...I'm sure there are more competent people than me, especially as I was being overtaken by a ninja 300 in race trim .

How about just tape up your sv lights or fit a fairing and use that.
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