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 Posted: 14:56 - 08 May 2015 Post subject: April 2015 new registration statistics |
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https://www.mcia.co.uk/Uploads/Statistics/Press-Statistics-201504.pdf
By and large, most sales are up. Peds are down, litre bikes are down a bit in April (but about the same over the year to date), sport/tour, touring and trail/enduro are down but that could just be due to how manufacturers are describing them.
Good news everywhere else, onwards and upwards. Yamaha are having a great time, with the MT-09 Tracer knocking the R1200GS off the top of the adventure sport category (but not the litre+ slot), and also topping the 651-1000 charts. That category is up 28% this month and 25% over the year, I suspect largely due to Yamaha's offerings.
Given how much of Honda's sales are clearly budget scooters and 125s (nearly a quarter just in the CBF and PCX), I expect Yamaha are thrashing them on total value and margins.
Triumph come in their usual solid third, BMW slip to fourth with Kawasaki somewhat surprisingly nipping at their heels.
Also a surprise for April is that Lexmoto are still showing strong above Harley, KTM, Ducati and then that other Japanese marque that used to sell bikes. Aprilia / Piaggio are a no show.
In local news, the bikes that I might consider buying new are from KTM, Kawasaki or Yamaha, none of which have a dealership in the most populated area in Scotland.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Suzuki 'sold' a relatively large number of bikes (by their standards) in March. I now suspect a lot of that was pre-reg bikes that were punted on by dealers in April. It always seems to be feast or famine for them.
Since they had another bad month, I'd expect more bonanza discounts or another glut of cheap pre-reg bikes. Just be sure what model year you're getting. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Yamaha R1 the most popular supersport. I'm not surprised.
I would have it. It looks good and it sounds even better
https://www.yamaha-motor.ca/images/pages/products/units/MC/medium/2015_YZF-R1_Blue_3.png
Also Suzukis don't seem to sell very well. They need new bikes. Beaten by Ducati, Lexmoto, HD, KTM  ____________________ Current Bike: Yamaha XSR900 Previous bikes: Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade, Kawasaki ZX-6R Ninja, Aprilia RS125 2-stroke |
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Ha, I didn't spot that the R1 has actually outsold the R125 for top "supersport".
| ScaredyCat wrote: | | mJZ wrote: | Also Suzukis don't seem to sell very well. They need new bikes. Beaten by Ducati, Lexmoto, HD, KTM  |
I'm tempted to see how cheaply I can get a fully loaded V-Strom 1000 from them... for science of course. |
Tree fiddy.
Cash price, probably quite low. On PCP finance though, an R1200GS will be cheaper, which tells you all you need to know about Suzuki depreciation. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | Fully loaded V-Strom 1000 would be £211/mo for 48 months on their 0%, £1 deposit HP deal. |
I said PCP, not HP. Try again.
Beat this.
£2,482.69 down.
36 x £129.00
Option to own (you won't though) £4,966.68
The issue is how much (or little) it costs to ride, not to own. Once BMW victims get locked into the PCP, they're BMW customers for life.
What's the equivalent to ride a V-Strom 1000? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | I said PCP, not HP. Try again. |
Perhaps you should re-read the sentence I wrote prior to that one. It's also precisely why I used "HP deal". IMO PCP is stupid.
| Rogerborg wrote: |
Beat this.
£2,482.69 down.
36 x £129.00
Option to own (you won't though) £4,966.68
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That's also on the proviso it's in the condition they expect it to be in and the milage is at or below the agreed number.
| Rogerborg wrote: |
The issue is how much (or little) it costs to ride, not to own. Once BMWPCP victims get locked into the PCP, they're BMWPCP customersvictims for life.
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FTFY
| Rogerborg wrote: | What's the equivalent to ride a V-Strom 1000? |
On PCP you could ride one for £115.38/mo
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Deposit £2,228.30
Agreement Duration 36 Months
Initial Repayment of £115.38
34 Repayments of £115.38
Final Repayment of £5,610.0
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But I'd never, ever do it on PCP.
How much for a GS over 48 months on HP? ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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Stick it on a credit card, 0% balance transfer FTW. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | IMO PCP is stupid. |
IMO, any finance is stupid.
| ScaredyCat wrote: | On PCP you could ride one for £115.38/mo |
I notice you've calculated it at 3,000 miles a year. If you actually intend to ride the bike, then the Nazi Tractor comes in cheaper.
| ScaredyCat wrote: | How much for a GS over 48 months on HP? |
Not interested. IMO, HP is stupider.
If you can't afford to own the bike outright, why pay more than you absolutely have to in order to ride it? If you HP it, you'll have an asset at the end of it, but one that you're bored of and if you go for the Suzuki then you'll be left trying to sell an unpopular bike to a market that clearly prefers BMWs and Yamahas.
In any case, my point about using PCP is that it shows that the Suzuki will be a relatively expensive bike to own. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | IMO, any finance is stupid. |
0% interest finance is acceptable. £1 deposit? Not even a Starbucks coffee can be had for that (which is were most GS's go, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGibK_d0mQ0).
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I notice you've calculated it at 3,000 miles a year. If you actually intend to ride the bike, then the Nazi Tractor comes in cheaper.
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You gave no milage for your quote at all - I picked one from the list. You want more? At 5k/year it's £129.64 and you haven't even supplied a spec for the BMW. Panniers, heated grips, crash bars, what else do I get other than a base model GS on the BMW PCP deal?
| Rogerborg wrote: | you'll have an asset at the end of it, but one that you're bored |
You're presuming boredom. I ride an NC700X, have done for 2 years. It's an under powered bike, it's not exciting but I'm not bored with it. I am considering keeping it because it's great for my commute. I could rival its real world fuel consumption on a 125, and that's about it. It's definitely capable of touring but I want something extra for that.
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of and if you go for the Suzuki then you'll be left trying to sell an unpopular bike to a market that clearly prefers BMWs and Yamahas. |
I've never ridden a Suzuki bike and while I do see a lot of people saying "Suzuki, what a load of shit", all the people I've met or chatted to that own them, love their bike. The only concern I'd have is that Suzuki cut their prices even more devaluing 2nd user bikes but none if that matters if you want to keep the bike longer rather than sell it. In 48 months Suzuki might even be offering £1 deposit 0% again.. So increase the stable of bikes I have by keeping the two I'd have and add another. They say no bike does everything, how about 3 - One for commuting, one for touring and one for hooning...
Markets are fickle. In 48 months who knows what people will want.
| Rogerborg wrote: | In any case, my point about using PCP is that it shows that the Suzuki will be a relatively expensive bike to own. |
Compared to not owning a BMW? Apples and oranges ... ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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Suzuki are OK if you have a Japanese manufactured bike. My busa was excellent, couldn't fault it in any way, finish, reliability
Wifies Bandit 650 though, made in Spain, the finish was not so good. An ACF50 bike if ever there was one.
And I have to agree with ScaredyCat on this, £1 down and interest free, I'd go for a V Strom any day. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | In any case, my point about using PCP is that it shows that the Suzuki will be a relatively expensive bike to own. |
Compared to not owning a BMW? Apples and oranges ... |
Compared to owning a BMW as well.
Apparently I do need to spell it out: the big cost of ownership on a new bike is depreciation. PCP figures give a good indication of how much that's likely to be.
The Suzuki has a lower price tag, but in absolute terms you'll be down as much (or more) than you would on the BMW when you sell it in 3 or 4 years, regardless of whether you buy outright, HP, PCP or trade magic beans for it.
The BMW costs no more to ride or to own, despite its higher spec, sticker price and premium image.
Suzuki have made a cheap bike that's expensive to own. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 128 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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