CBT passed but confused

nigel6 · L Plate Warrior Joined: 18 Jul 2015 Karma :

Hi I am new to the forum but have held a full A licence for the past 4 years. However my 25 year old son took and passed his CBT last Saturday on a 50cc twist and go and this is where my confusion starts.
I have seen a number of posts on here that say once passed the CBT then you can ride any cycle up to 125cc and they clearly imply that even if you pass on a twist and go then you can ride a geared bike as long as its not greater than a 125. I cant see that this is right as my sons CBT certificate clearly says moped and I thought he was restricted to this by his CBT so he cant ride a geared bike.

Can anyone put me right on this

NJD · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Karma :

To my understanding..

CBT: Passed on a geared or auto, as long as you're old enough to ride a 125 (17) then providing you have undertaken and passed a CBT then you can ride a geared or non geared bike up to a 125.

Of any use? (sorry I don't have any links to letter of the law or actual sources).

nigel6 · L Plate Warrior Joined: 18 Jul 2015 Karma :

Thanks NJD

When my son passed his instructor said he needed to carry the certificate with him as if he is stopped he needs to be able to produce it. I dont understand why his CBT says provisional Moped and my CBT says provisional motorcycle. whats the point? obviously I can teach my son how to ride a geared bike. It seems daft that as a totally new rider with no experience you can ride a twist and go to get through the CBT and then get on a geared 125.

NJD · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Karma :

found this.

Probably advisable that he carries his provisional and CBT certificate in a pouch in his backpack at all times as without a full license there's nothing he could produce at the roadside if he got stopped to prove to mr plod that he was actually legal, insurance or not, you could go the full works and look legit having never sat a CBT, however, several months down the line with this method and I've never needed it, but I don't ride drawing attention to myself so luck of the draw.

use this website and check his license details, providing he has a provisional A entitlement then he meets the age requirement so I don't see why not.

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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

A DL196 is a DL196. It validates his provisional entitlement to ride any bike that he can legally ride, whether that's a 125 soLo or - if he were 19 / 24 - an A2 / A bike under instruction

Instructors can write down what he took it on, but it's meaningless.

There was a recent DfT consultation about the CBT where they asked if this state of affairs should continue or whether there should be an "automatic" provisional. But as it stands there isn't and he's good to ride a geared bike.
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nigel6 · L Plate Warrior Joined: 18 Jul 2015 Karma :

He tried a geared bike on his CBT a month ago and was not confident to go out on the road so took it again on a twist and go and sailed through. Its just that there is so much more to master on a geared bike if you are totally new to riding/driving but perhaps a few months on the auto will give him that confidence to try a geared bike and at least I can help him with that.

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

A CBT pad is as hard as it gets. It's crowded, you're being observed, everything is new and the clock is ticking. Chances are you could put him on a geared 125 now and leave him to it and he'll suss it out pretty quickly.
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Motorbike26 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 24 Jul 2015 Karma :

If it's true what you guys are saying about learning on the housing estate or a five minute chat with an instructor then the system is seriously flawed. It's no wonder we see these newbies annoying other drivers and worst of all killing themselves.
The OP is right to dispute this.
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Taught2BCauti... · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Karma :

Just to add to the confusion - you can take the CBT on any size machine (I did mine on a 600), as long as the instructor that takes you on the road is qualified to instruct riders on that size of bike.

Once you have your CBT certificate though, you can't ride anything over 125cc on your own.
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Teflon-Mike · tl;dr Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :

Being aghast at the idea you can obtain your DL196 doing a CBT course on a twist & go, then go legally ride a geared bike, is essentially ignoring the fact that you can ride an A1 class motorcycle, unsupervised, on the public road, on 'Provisional' entitlement, without ever passing ANY driving test of any sort... and assuming that the CBT course ought to do the job of a Driving Test!

Compulsary Basic Training - The clue is in the name.... Its TRAINING, your First 'Lesson'.. it's NOT as so many seem to assume a 'Licence' or a 'Test' that qualifies you to ride a motorbike!

Introduced circa 1990, quarter of a century ago, where prior to that, all you had to do was fill in the right form from the post-office to get your Provisional, and go find a bike to ride... and do your 'Learning'... you know, what the L on the L-Plate stands for... via the "school of hard knocks'... ie by trial and error... wobbling about, lurching into garden walls, and falling off trying to U-Turns, e-stops, wheelie, stoppie or get your knee down and stuff!!!

CBT actually did a heck of a lot to help make 'Learners'... safer, and not quite such a 'menace' as we had been!

Provisional-Licence 'L-Plate' on the back... remember CBT is NOT a 'qualification' of rider competence! Its JUST the 'first lesson', an attempt to give the clue-less a BIT of a clue and some pointers; rule of thumb for awarding a DL196 is "If this rider is allowed to ride home.... will they get there?" It is NOT "does this rider meet the standards of competence expected for a qualified rider, as set by the DSA"... or you wouldn't get a DL196 'completion' certificate, you'd get an A1 Test Pass Certificate.....

So, get to the nub of the matter; recognize CBT for what it is, a LESSON, and if you don't think riders ought to be let loose on their own without proving they can ride first, gripe about THAT, and suggest that we actually follow the Euro 3rd Directive properly and NOT let 'unqualified' riders on the road on ANYTHING before they have passed the tests to obtain a licence for whatever they want to ride... 'cos if they did A1 licence tests on a Twist & Go, then their A1 entitlement would be endorsed 'Automatic Only'.... 'cos tests do that... lessons don't!
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