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PostPosted: 20:27 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
So you joined here to shill your own site, you say? Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on and stay in a low gear.


Not sure I agree with this... I think the best piece of advice you can give someone who isn't sure on filtering is to...

Filter at a sensible speed. Make sure you will be able to stop / take evasive action should you need to.

Telling people to keep their high beams on whilst filtering is a little stupid - all you're going to do is dazzle every motorist you pass. This may mean that they won't move over for the next motorcyclist trying to filter because you have pissed them off.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
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Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on and stay in a low gear.


Not sure I agree with this... I think the best piece of advice you can give someone who isn't sure on filtering is to...

Filter at a sensible speed. Make sure you will be able to stop / take evasive action should you need to.

Telling people to keep their high beams on whilst filtering is a little stupid - all you're going to do is dazzle every motorist you pass. This may mean that they won't move over for the next motorcyclist trying to filter because you have pissed them off.


You could say the same for loud exhausts. Loud exhausts and blipping the throttle when filtering may annoy some because of they don't fancy hearing your loud exhaust & not move over for the next biker.

I also don't think a high beam in broad day light will dazzle drivers.

Don't get me wrong your point is very valid, I'm just playing the devils advocate Smile
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
So you joined here to shill your own site, you say? Thinking


I know the OP & did say this wouldn't be the wisest idea. He's new to forums and social media, but not new to making websites. He's trying to figure out what the best ways are to promote this site. He's actually pretty knowledgable, so could actualty be a good contributer to BCF, so bare with him Smile

This obviously isn't the best way to go about things spamming this forum, he's genuinely trying to understand/grasp what works and what doesn't work; what's acceptable amongst forums and Facebook pages and not etc.

So apologies on his behalf Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on


If you do this you are a moron.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:
Some straight to the point advice for new riders. Touches on some basic points, if you're interested in any one particular one in details the web is your oyster Razz

Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on

In my opinion drivers who don't move over for bikers



Highway Code

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You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and...

And the drivers must move over because you are uncapable to ride properly and there is a danger somebody to hit you unless they move over??

You are aware that forcing other drivers to change direction or speed is dangerous driving do you?

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PostPosted: 21:32 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:
in my opinion from personal experience and advice given to me on a Bikesafe course which I have adopted and I have seen work wonders. I have never in the past 5 years since doing this while filtering had any negative reaction from any driver and always find they tend notice me more and even move out of the way.


Well if it works for you then that's great, more power to you however this certainly is a practice that I won't be adopting any time soon. I have my dipped beam on all the time, I personally think this is enough to be seen.

I am also attending a Bike Safe course in August, may I ask where you completed yours? If it happens to be the same one I'll see if they mention riding with full beams on. Thumbs Up
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Cornering... What you can't do is come in too fast then turn and try to grab your front brakes, your bike will sit up and you will be on your way sampling the local wildlife


Are you Bodyguard? Most of us have a working rear brake to get us out of shit when cornering too fast! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
Val wrote:
deeBWW wrote:
Some straight to the point advice for new riders. Touches on some basic points, if you're interested in any one particular one in details the web is your oyster Razz

Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on

In my opinion drivers who don't move over for bikers



So drivers must move over because you are uncapable to ride properly and there is a danger somebody to hit you unless they move over??

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Not at all never said they must move over, but I'm sure when you've filtered and a driver has seen you and given you more room its given reassurance you have been seen.

I'm sure as a biker when in your car you extend that same courtesy when you see a bike coming through
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
deeBWW wrote:
in my opinion from personal experience and advice given to me on a Bikesafe course which I have adopted and I have seen work wonders. I have never in the past 5 years since doing this while filtering had any negative reaction from any driver and always find they tend notice me more and even move out of the way.


Well if it works for you then that's great, more power to you however this certainly is a practice that I won't be adopting any time soon. I have my dipped beam on all the time, I personally think this is enough to be seen.

I am also attending a Bike Safe course in August, may I ask where you completed yours? If it happens to be the same one I'll see if they mention riding with full beams on. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 21:43 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:
West Mdlands - Ask for DEC Padmore, excellent rider Thumbs Up


I'll be doing mine in Romford so no chance, still I should imagine the course is somewhat standardised so we'll see... I'll report back.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:
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Cornering... What you can't do is come in too fast then turn and try to grab your front brakes, your bike will sit up and you will be on your way sampling the local wildlife


Are you Bodyguard? Most of us have a working rear brake to get us out of shit when cornering too fast! Rolling Eyes


What's Bodyguard?
Not most of us, all of us have rear brakes to trail when we go in too fast, but for a new rider who is still getting used to and comfortable riding his/her bike and still learning alot about how to handle their bike correctly, advising them to go in slower and making them aware the of a common front brake consequence when cornering is surely better than advising rear trail braking.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:
Who's Bodyguard?


FTFY.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:

Not most of us, all of us have rear brakes to trail when we go in too fast, but for a new rider who is still getting used to and comfortable riding his/her bike and still learning alot about how to handle their bike correctly, advising them to go in slower and making them aware the of a common front brake consequence when cornering is surely better than advising rear trail braking.


Valid point re:front brake and new rider but, why not mention both what to and not what to do?

Oh and welcome to BCF btw. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
Val wrote:
deeBWW wrote:
Some straight to the point advice for new riders. Touches on some basic points, if you're interested in any one particular one in details the web is your oyster Razz

Very simple very effective piece of advice I was given when filtering. Put your high beams on

In my opinion drivers who don't move over for bikers



Highway Code

114

You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and...

And the drivers must move over because you are uncapable to ride properly and there is a danger somebody to hit you unless they move over??

You are aware that forcing other drivers to change direction or speed is dangerous driving do you?

https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/216/892/3e3.jpg


This.Only 2 kinds of people leave their high beam on when filtering through traffic. Wankers and dickheads and you are encouraging this practice?

You do realise that in a court filtering is a grey area at the best of times. "but y'onnor he had his high beams on when I pulled out in front of him and I was dazzled." will get the biker the fault every single time.

Take your good advice and do us a favour, Stop spreading it as you will get bikers killed.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dip your lights!
"beamers" like you(and others) just anger people for no good reason.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:


I think the point is to try and make sure you minimize the chance of getting hit in the first place not riding in a manner to protect yourself in court incase you do.


By breaking the law and blinding people? Yeah good one Einstein. I thought the whole point of staying alive was to see and be seen. Have you seen how bright full beam is in a mirror? It blinds people. I have had students follow me and I have had to tell them to dip their beams as they have put full on by accident and its blinded me.

Keep bikers safe, blind car drivers. Duh!
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
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By breaking the law and blinding people? Yeah good one Einstein. I thought the whole point of staying alive was to see and be seen. Have you seen how bright full beam is in a mirror? It blinds people. I have had students follow me and I have had to tell them to dip their beams as they have put full on by accident and its blinded me.

Keep bikers safe, blind car drivers. Duh!


Good job I'm not following when I'm filtering then really. I'm yet to come across a driver or hear of someone being knocked off because they weren't seen on their bike for filtering with high beams being the reason and dazzling a driver but have personally seen how drivers are more aware of your presence with them on.

And I'm sure a loud can won't legally pass an MOT so I guess a valid argument would be being heard is a bad idea because it's illegal too.
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I'd happily knock you off your bike if you dazzled me. Then I'd happily claim against you.

You sir are a knob.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Advice for Newbies that won't take you a year to read Reply with quote
deeBWW wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
By breaking the law and blinding people? Yeah good one Einstein. I thought the whole point of staying alive was to see and be seen. Have you seen how bright full beam is in a mirror? It blinds people. I have had students follow me and I have had to tell them to dip their beams as they have put full on by accident and its blinded me.

Keep bikers safe, blind car drivers. Duh!


Good job I'm not following when I'm filtering then really. I'm yet to come across a driver or hear of someone being knocked off because they weren't seen on their bike for filtering with high beams being the reason and dazzling a driver but have personally seen how drivers are more aware of your presence with them on.


Honestly this is the worst I've seen and I've seen a lot of shit on the London roads. Basically you do not care that you may dazzle somebody which can lead to accident you care only for YOU.

Also the fact that somebody else may be filtering and you can blind them from behind does not mean anything for you.

I really do not see the point of that discussion given the fact:

pinkyfloyd wrote:
The ONLY 2 kinds of people leave their high beam on when filtering through traffic. Wankers and dickheads


Of course everybody are aware of you. And I know what they are thinking about it - what a twat with high beam on. If you think you are different than BMW twats with the 20 additional fog lights you are wrong. It is very annoying and very dangerous.

Lets hope you meet somebody exactly as you soon.
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