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Your rs125 could kill you too yknow
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Personally I would have no problem with anyone jumping straight on any bike, this based on my own experience.
Buggers (the world motorcycling public) convinced me to get a 'beginner' bike, which I got bored of rapidly and cost me money don't listen to the damned fools! A CBR500 or the likes is like wearing an 'L' plate with a strike through. Get a Fireblade or a GSF1250 and enjoy  |
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If in doubt, flat out.
Buy the bandit if you want it. Our approval won't change a thing. I for instance think it's not really a safe motorcycle. It's engine is quicker than its frame.
Fireblade is a much safer motorcycle. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| NJD wrote: | How would you know if you could die on it, you'd be dead?.. I laughed at someone the other day who said my 125 wasn't fast enough and therefore didn't need a full set of textiles, mu flubba soon shut up when I stopped them and told them wrapping yourself around a lamppost at 30mph would result in potatoes.
The question you should be asking is "do I want to own this bike?", if you're thinking about death before getting on a bike or even buying it what must your thought process be when riding, if being deaded on a bike is a concern I wouldn't advise riding at all.
Maintain a safe riding style at all times and regardless of power of the bike you in theory will be fine, pss, avoid the cagers. |
With all due respect, the thread title wasn't meant in a literal sense, kind of tongue in cheek.
But, you're right. I know deep down I'm riding it regardless so suppose I'm just looking for some gratification by coming on here. It's just nice to have some reassurance, you know? |
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What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road.
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.
When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing.
Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road.
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.
When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing.
Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety. |
I don't think that's the problem with new riders on big bikes. It's not even down to the big bike, it's down to the aggressiveness of the bike. Sports bikes like a fireblade/R1/GSXR1000 are not particularly forgiving if you snap the throttle open and closed. Yes they're much more capable machines but they punish your mistakes harder than a fluffier bike such as the bandit.
Get the bandit you'll be fine, just remember to be smooth with the brakes and smooth with the throttle. ____________________ Duke 390
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You're far more likely to die off of it.
It's bought, ride it, win. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It is written.
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| el_oso wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road.
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.
When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing.
Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety. |
Yes they're much more capable machines but they punish your mistakes harder than a fluffier bike such as the bandit. |
This sentence got me thinking. Of course that, when you're gonna just use the throttle as an on/off switch you are going to go down at some point. But, try to ride a superbike and right after that try a huge naked bike or an SM etc. The first thing I always notice is that those require more lean angle to maintain the same speed as the superbike in every single corner (meaning, on a superbike you are still left with 30% of the lean angle just to make a escape maneuver if required) and also you are going to have to use your brakes more (braking power of a superbike is way more superior) Braking power is not just about calipers, MC's and tyres, it's about the frame geometry and suspension.
I mean, last time I got the foot peg down on the ZXR, I was going way faster than I wanted, so that saved me there. On a not made to be fast motorcycle, you've got the foot peg on the tar all the time, meaing there's no more lean angle left for you.
I was riding my mates FMX650, that motorcycle tops out at around 90 mph. According to the polls, that is a safe motorcycle. But it is not.
The suspension travel is enormous, you can't really feel what the wheels do and braking is a bit of a gamble, because you always wait for the compression of the front end. Also, going the same speed through a corner, as you'd go on a superbike, is really pushing your luck.
The Bandit 1200/1250 would have the same problem. I've been on similar naked bikes before, and they always had soft suspension, with rather long travel and wobbly frame. That doesn't really sound safe, does it? I mean, the Bandit 1200/1250 is a 120 Nm engine, that'll make that thing go 120 mph in no time. Thinking of it, I've got basically the same brake calipers and once can buy the samy tyres I use, yet it will never be as good as my ZXR. Even though the ZXR is a rather heavy motorcycle.
TL; DR: Yes skills are what matters, but some motorcycles just require full wagons of skills to stay alive on.  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Old Thread Alert!
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