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PostPosted: 15:00 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Licencing: Age related A? Reply with quote

So my older brother has gone and got himself a scooter. It's a 330 cc X10 bit I'm a little concerned because he thinks he has an age related A license. Was there ever a time when passing your car test gave you a motorcycle license? I think he passed his car test in 1983.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

no.

He'll have the new A only for trikes, tell him to check the codes on the back of his card.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think he's entitled to ride over 125 unless he passed the full motorcyle test/s however long ago.
Its kind of confusing though
Just looked at both mine and my lads (provisional) license
His provisional is green obviously but has dates in the A section
on the back like mine but mine has a < just before the first date
(to show when it was granted ?)
On the front his has AM/A/B/f/g to q
while mine has AM/A/B1/B/C1/D1/BE/C1E/D1E and so on.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my car licence around 1984, only came with a moped entitlement.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
He'll have the new A only for trikes, tell him to check the codes on the back of his card.

That.

He'll have A with 79(tri), 79(3) or 793 depending on how DVLA are obfuscating it this week.

Give him a good slap and tell him to stop being silly and listening to what blokes Tef him down the pub. If he hasn't passed a motorcycle test then he doesn't have a license to ride that thing.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned, I believe his license allowing him to ride mopeds no larger than 50cc.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Licencing: Age related A? Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
So my older brother has gone and got himself a scooter. It's a 330 cc X10 bit I'm a little concerned because he thinks he has an age related A license. Was there ever a time when passing your car test gave you a motorcycle license? I think he passed his car test in 1983.


I passed in 1981 .. and later `83 to ride a bike of more than 125cc I needed to take the 2 part test..
he don`t have any grandfather rights to ride any thing bigger that a 50cc.. 30mph slug....

tl;dr .. No.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 21 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok,

looks like he's convinced he's made a mistake. He said he'd checked https://www.viewdrivingrecord.service.gov.uk/driving-record/licence-number and it shows category:

A listed, no codes or restrictions listed on site - they do appear on plastic card though.

but, for example,

C1E has "Restrictions apply" and then lists the restriction codes that apply on the site, these also appear on his plastic license card.

He's going to get his training sorted before doing any riding anyway, so hopefully all is not lost.

Thanks for the help. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does the "A" appear on their website? Vehicles you can drive, or Vehicles you can provisionally drive?
I can provisionally drive a tracked vehicle, don't think plod would be too impressed if they stopped me in 50 ton battle tank.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
don't think plod would be too impressed if they stopped me in 50 ton battle tank.

I'd be impressed if they could stop you.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:
don't think plod would be too impressed if they stopped me in 50 ton battle tank.

I'd be impressed if they could stop you.


a 66mm or 88mm into the tracks will stop you dead.. which is what they would do.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at any new car license it does appear you can ride bikes.

Bloody stupid.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I'd be impressed if they could stop you.


They'd just have to wait. British AFV's fall apart every few miles.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 22 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have met so many people who think they have a full bike licence according to their plastic one. The DVLA are just not helping anyone with all of these confusing codes! Rolling Eyes why can't they just use a pic of the vehicle with a date and a tick....simples! Wink
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 23 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it has dates in the A category all it means is he has a provisional entitlement and able to ride on L plates accompanied by a DAS qualified instructor. You will find that the date that expires is the same date his licence expires.

The DVSA have really confused i̶d̶i̶o̶t̶s̶ people with the new printing on the licences.
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 23 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
The DVSA have really confused i̶d̶i̶o̶t̶s̶ people with the new printing on the licences.

I genuinely wonder if it's now confusing enough to fool Constable McFireblade, or an insurer. Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 23 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arr There is some truth in what you are saying. Now if you passed your car test in round about 1950. It would give you a bike licence, but only as a learner. As at that time there was no restriction on the cc size for a leaner. You could at that time after passing your car test. Go out and buy, a bike any size. Stick "L" plate's on it, and ride round to your heart's content.

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PostPosted: 10:35 - 23 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I are a nidiot I were comfused
Checked the dvla link above and to my relief they
still have my full bike license on record.

The paper counterpart says nothing about entitlements
so it looks like you have to do it all online nowadays
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 23 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I genuinely wonder if it's now confusing enough to fool Constable McFireblade, or an insurer. Thinking


Correct. I did some google-fu and this turned up.

www.policespecials.com wrote:
My other half has a full car (and other categories) licence. He passed his test in 1986. He can legally ride mopeds up to 50cc on his licence (not needing to display L plates or have a CBT), and automatically has Cat A (motorcycle) provisional entitlement. But I think to ride a 125cc, he'd still need a CBT (which is valid for 2 years I believe) as it's beyond the scope of (full) categories on his licence.

Does that make sense?


Also according to this I think grandfather rights would only be pre-1963, when the category system was introduced, although it isn't clear.

Finally, see here for previous discussion.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a little update, I know how much you care ... Laughing

He put the scooter away and didn't ride it, then went and spoke to a training school. He's just sent me a message to say he's just passed his mod 1 and has his mod 2 on Friday.

He's actually doing it on a geared bike too.
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