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Bikesafe as a start
Then get some experience before full on Advanced training
I would recommend IAM but I am biased as 20Years a member and Did 15+ Observing as they call their trainers ____________________ Dave
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Bikesafe is good. You can try the free London code if it is still valid courtesy of Stoney and TfL
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=304462
I have done it last week see my feedback in the post above.
Any training is good.
Even you can try free DIY one. Ask some mate to video you from behind as you ride. You can learn a lot watching yourself. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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I would very much recommend the i2imca Machine Control courses mc1 and mc3 run by Tom Killeen.
Worth while and mc1 shows you very clearly just how stable your bike is.
Personally I did mc1 before I did BikeSafe I then went back and did mc2, although I wanted to do mc1 followed by mc2 in the same week, but they were out of places. Everything takes place on airfields and proper tracks with lots of space. ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | It'd be better if you explained what was good about that, and what wasn't. The IAM has already been mentioned above and there's a danger you're not really adding much. |
I was seconding your opinion, that's all.
Most IAM observers will be better riders than most of us, certainly safer, and have training to pass these skill of being a safer, thinking rider on!
They train you to ride with alertness to make good safe "progress" on your rides, and in training, keep you to the law. They aren't allowed to train you to ride illegally.
Socially you get a good mix of people at IAM, some slow, some really fast, but all safe. I have had some really enjoyable social rides with IAM and some fast rides with members when not officially on club rides. ____________________ Honda CB600F Hornet 2013 -> Kawasaki Z1000SX ABS Tourer 2015 |
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| FriendlyEllis wrote: | | trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | It'd be better if you explained what was good about that, and what wasn't. The IAM has already been mentioned above and there's a danger you're not really adding much. |
I was seconding your opinion, that's all.
Most IAM observers will be better riders than most of us, certainly safer, and have training to pass these skill of being a safer, thinking rider on!
They train you to ride with alertness to make good safe "progress" on your rides, and in training, keep you to the law. They aren't allowed to train you to ride illegally.
Socially you get a good mix of people at IAM, some slow, some really fast, but all safe. I have had some really enjoyable social rides with IAM and some fast rides with members when not officially on club rides. |
If you do the IAM for cars, guidance is to use the whole of the road, iirc. And it used to be this for bikes too - but now isn't, apart from on unmarked roads where guidance varies by club (York is three quarters of the road).
Tbh, I actually tend to use three quarters or more of any road, if it's safe - i.e. riding the straightest lines possible when linking bends. I don't do this in group rides unless there's a clear agreement to not overtake. But otherwise, fuck it. I'll go for the straightest i.e. shortest line through bends, if I've got the view.
RE going wide on left handers, I don't always see the need for that on decent roads with sweeping bends. Slightly wide of position two is imo fine. I've had mates who've very nearly come to grief going wide for the view and met poorly positioned oncoming vehicles. One actually got hit and knocked off. So I'm a bit sceptical of some parts of ipsga.
Also, some people come out the other side of the course feeling infallible. Okay they've probably got better obs and stuff, but this is cancelled out by the notion that now they're "advanced" they're somehow invulnerable. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
RE going wide on left handers, I don't always see the need for that on decent roads with sweeping bends. Slightly wide of position two is imo fine. I've had mates who've very nearly come to grief going wide for the view and met poorly positioned oncoming vehicles. One actually got hit and knocked off. So I'm a bit sceptical of some parts of ipsga. |
Just passed my IAM last month, current guidance I received were:
"it depends!"
There's lot of techniques, but none are hard and fast, they encourage you to think and do what's best for the situation.
Re: sweeping left handers - if you've got visibility round the bend, why bother moving wide if it'll gain you no extra visibility? Sure, if hedges etc obscure vision, then yeah consider going wide - if it's safe and the surface allows.
Re: oncoming vehicles - don't place yourself where you'll encounter them. Particularly narrow lanes, hug the hedge on a left hander. Safety comes higher than sight lines. (I was marked down a spot for not doing this on the test, examiner scolded me and said I would come a cropper exactly as you described - whoops!)
I think the IPSGA thing and the 4 S's (Safety, Surface, Sight-lines, Straight-lines) are certainly worth thinking about. But they should drive a thought process, not just interpreted as a bunch of stuff to follow blindly.
Overall, I really enjoyed the course, made some good mates through my local group and definitely think I'm a better rider than prior to the course. I'm under no illusions of infallibility though! I've still got a lot more to learn yet. ____________________ Beginner Biker Adventures Blog
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