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PostPosted: 15:53 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: So..........fuck Microsoft Reply with quote

What are my options if I want to not use Windows?

Is there some version of Linux that I can run a VM with windows in so I can still use certain programs?
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you can run it in a VM, but then you're still running it. Which 'certain programs'?

If you don't know which Lunix distro that you want, then you probably want Mint.

https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Cinnamon, 64-bit most likely, with codecs.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any major Linux distro can run a virtual windows instance via virtualbox, or run most Windows applications directly via WINE.
Apart from games and some very specialised commercial Windows applications there's a free Linux equivalent to practically everything.

Why not install VirtualBox on your Windows machine, virtualise a few Linux Dsistros and have a play with them before deciding which way to go?
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sure you can run it in a VM, but then you're still running it. Which 'certain programs'?


I don't like the way it is going with non-opt out tracking for everyday use but some applications will still require Windows.

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Any major Linux distro can run a virtual windows instance via virtualbox, or run most Windows applications directly via WINE.
Apart from games and some very specialised commercial Windows applications there's a free Linux equivalent to practically everything.

Why not install VirtualBox on your Windows machine, virtualise a few Linux Dsistros and have a play with them before deciding which way to go?


Good idea. I shall have a play. Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a massive tech head or anything, I've tried Linux twice in the past (two different iterations of Mint), plus Ubuntu at some stage too.

My experience would suggest that:

- At some point even the most GUI'd up versions of linux will require inputting a dozen lines of code to get something to work properly.

- The equivalent programs to Office aren't quite as slick as you'll have come to expect from microsoft.

- Despite the long list of supported hardware you'll still find things that just will not work!

If you can accept those foibles it's great. I went to Windows 7 in the end as I got too frustrated with the little niggles, I've toyed with the idea of Mint again a few times since then but haven't had another serious play for maybe 2 years.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
- The equivalent programs to Office aren't quite as slick as you'll have come to expect from microsoft.


Even Microsofts own Office within a Mac environment is utter tosh, would probably say Thunderbird is a better mail client than their Mac Outlook and fuck their Word, want a zoomable image, go fuck Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking as someone who uses and develops with Linux for a living...

c_dug wrote:
- At some point even the most GUI'd up versions of linux will require inputting a dozen lines of code to get something to work properly.
I can't think of any off the top of my head. Linux experts often prefer to edit config files manually, so you'll often be advised to do things that way, but it's extremely rare that you have to.

c_dug wrote:
- The equivalent programs to Office aren't quite as slick as you'll have come to expect from microsoft.
True and not suprising considering Microsofts massive budget. However OpenOffice/LibreOffice will do what 99% of people want to do 99% of the time - all for free.

c_dug wrote:
- Despite the long list of supported hardware you'll still find things that just will not work!
Again this was more true a few years ago.

c_dug wrote:
but haven't had another serious play for maybe 2 years.
That's the IT equivalent of saying you don't want a car because your last car (1970 Austin Maxi) wasn't up to much.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
some applications will still require Windows.

If you list them, we may be able to suggest equivalents.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wine sometimes works for running Windows applications under Linux.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I'm not a massive tech head or anything, I've tried Linux twice in the past (two different iterations of Mint), plus Ubuntu at some stage too.

My experience would suggest that:

- At some point even the most GUI'd up versions of linux will require inputting a dozen lines of code to get something to work properly.

- The equivalent programs to Office aren't quite as slick as you'll have come to expect from microsoft.

- Despite the long list of supported hardware you'll still find things that just will not work!

If you can accept those foibles it's great. I went to Windows 7 in the end as I got too frustrated with the little niggles, I've toyed with the idea of Mint again a few times since then but haven't had another serious play for maybe 2 years.


I've used Linux as my main desktop since 2000, so am a fan. But I agree with C_Dug on all points.

That said, I've done plenty of Windows XP installs with 58,000 reboots just to get updates and drivers. And had hardware that's no n longer supported etc 9/10 with Linux it just works. No need to go hunting for drivers or software, it's generally these days all automagically detected and installed......generally.

I like Windows 7. I haven't tried 8 or 10. I love/hate MS Office. Use it every day all day. Ribbon is a pile of dicks.
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
- At some point even the most GUI'd up versions of linux will require inputting a dozen lines of code to get something to work properly.


A lot of Ubuntu based OS are more friendly than windows and mac now. As for using the cmd line, only if you want to.

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- The equivalent programs to Office aren't quite as slick as you'll have come to expect from microsoft.


"Why won't (Office program) open this Office file from (Work, friend)?"
Is a phone call I'm always getting.

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- Despite the long list of supported hardware you'll still find things that just will not work!


Everything on my computer now didn't require me to do any extra work, Windows on the other hand.


VM's and/or wine can help with some Windows programs. Some may even work better. Others, that's the only reason I still have Windows still running.

If you do switch, remember things will work differently. You could be trading one problem for another problem. Once you get used to what's what, what you can and can't do. Why flash hasn't be buried yet, then you could be OK.
Still, bad things can happen and everything c_dug wrote may just affect you Smile
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's free (in every sense) to try Lunix though, and you can even just put the tip in. Modern Lunix "installers" will ask you whether you want to install the OS, or just have a play with it.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Linux bummer here.

Just download a couple of the distros people have suggested - Mint, Ubuntu or Fedora or something - and boot them up and just try it for a bit without installing it. As Roger just mentioned, in the installer it will give you the necessary options in an easy-to-understand way.

For general use, Linux can and should do just fine without any issues. You might need to use different software to those which you are used to (LibreOffice instead of MS Office, VLC instead of WMP, etc etc) but that's all small fish isn't it.

https://distrowatch.com/
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most programs I use do have alternatives.

One that doesn't is Winamp. I think Winamp is all a desktop music player needs to be and does the job great. The best feature is you can minimise to a thin control panel so you always have the basic controls visible, even if you are using another application.

https://media.mahalo.com/upload/9/9c/f247b04d5e4842188b64e6ed8d653281_20110708.JPEG?1310151293766

Does anyone know a Linux media player that has a decent library/playlist functions but also minimises in the same sort of way.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Most programs I use do have alternatives.

One that doesn't is Winamp.
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Does anyone know a Linux media player that has a decent library/playlist functions but also minimises in the same sort of way.
Beep media player, last I checked.
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