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Jayy
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reg Plates Legality / Exhaust Heat Issue Reply with quote

https://i.imgur.com/eRRcOhM.jpg

Right, I just fitted a tail tidy kit (indicator unit not fitted in this photo) and the plate mounts really close the the big exhaust loop directly behind it.

This is a very American thing the way the plate mounts down there as I ordered this kit from America (Indicator unit & plate mount). My understanding is, they mostly use metal reg plates over there?

My only concern is when I got back and touched the plate, it was stupidly hot, to the point that I could wiggle the plate and it felt like jelly.

What is the actual law on plates (other than legal size), i.e. Do I have to have that yellow reflective surface on the back? Can I get a metal plate made up?
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully this helps https://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t90123.html

It's for cars but I believe it is the same for motorcycles and pressed plates are not legal in the UK.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

finniee wrote:
Hopefully this helps https://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t90123.html

It's for cars but I believe it is the same for motorcycles and pressed plates are not legal in the UK.


That link says they are as long as they meet the relevant legislation.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

back the plate with metal?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting read, seems that you can use metal plates as long as they meet them standards.

A guy a few posts down mentions there's specific rules for where to mount a plate as well, I wonder if mine is legal or not?

Going to all this effort only to have a 7x5 plate, which isn't legal anyway Laughing But in saying that, I have been riding around for years with 7x5 plates and never been pulled up about it.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
back the plate with metal?


Wouldn't that just do the same thing as now by turning the backed metal in to a grill?

Just been and checked it now it has cooled right down and the plate has slightly warped already and a small bubble at the bottom. I can see this being completely fucked after several more outings.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

back it with some kind of heat proof material, I have had a similar issue on a pitbike, backed it with a bit of ally sheet and it was fine.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-x-7-Motorbike-Motorcycle-Bike-Aluminium-Metal-PRESSED-Number-Plate-GIFTS-/291553566898?

He said he can do 7 x 5 with no black border
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

All seems legal but from what I understand of what i read it needs to be made from a reflective yellow, I don't know if metal pressed plates are going to be reflective as the plastic ones.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's all sorts of stupidly detailed regulations about what reg. plates can be made of.

Including how much spring and deflection they have when supported on one end with a weight on the other.

Long story short. Metal can't possibly comply. It either premanantly bends too easily or is too stiff.

Nothing saying what you put behind your plate though. I'd suggest a piece of silicone matting.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So anyway I was sitting behind a Maibatsu CockThruster pickup today sporting a tiny plate completely devoid of BS AU 145d mark or maker's info, with a bold hexagon background and miniscule mostly hollow letters spelling out "L6 FKR" or similar and in conclusion you're massively over-thinking this.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to agree with Rogerborg. So long as your plate looks legal, who is really going to question it?
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a road legal metal one for bikes https://r.ebay.com/7CN7RP
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 13 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
Here's a road legal metal one for bikes https://r.ebay.com/7CN7RP


Unfortunately. Like many things on ebay. It's not what it proports to be. That is not a legal plate.

It would be legal if already fitted to a motorcycle manufactured before a certain date which I can't be bothered to look up (but go pre-'65 and you can effectively tip-ex it onto the back mudguard).

It's not legal as-is for either fitment to a modern bike OR as a replacement numberplate. Has to be retroreflective. Effectively has to be perspex/polycarbonate (because they're the only things that conform to the material specifications) and must have the makers name and postcode displayed across the bottom fo the plate.

What they have there is a "show plate". Something most makers of such things have enough common sense to advertise them as.

There will be other issues
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
you're massively over-thinking this.


Put the metal one on if you want. Move on with life.

When it comes to MOT time do what needs to be done - full size plate, stick on reflector etc. Get home, swap it all back Thumbs Up I practice the number plate shuffle every year.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
Going to all this effort only to have a 7x5 plate, which isn't legal anyway Laughing


Exactly. You won't get a legal one in 7x5, because a 7x5 plate is inherently not legal already. If you want a metal one, get a metal one. You'll only be committing the same offence you're already committing anyway.

I think the unspoken rule is that as long as the ANPR cameras can read it without any problems, nobody gives a shit.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
So anyway I was sitting behind a Maibatsu CockThruster pickup today sporting a tiny plate completely devoid of BS AU 145d mark or maker's info, with a bold hexagon background and miniscule mostly hollow letters spelling out "L6 FKR" or similar and in conclusion you're massively over-thinking this.

Indeed. My 'illegal' plate on my bike has BSAU145d markings on it anyway, Laughing despite being wrong sized and
having a green coloured border around the slightly smaller than standard lettering. Embarassed Again, despite
my best efforts I have still to be pulled for it. I have the dealer plate for its first MOT next year if I still have the bike then.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Disapproving Brit wrote:
You won't get a legal one in 7x5, because a 7x5 plate is inherently not legal already.


Well technically because it's all about the letter sizing, spacing and borders, not the actual plate size, it depends on how many letters you have. 7x5 would be legal for something short like registration B6.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Undinist wrote:
Here's a road legal metal one for bikes https://r.ebay.com/7CN7RP


Unfortunately. Like many things on ebay. It's not what it proports to be. That is not a legal plate.

It would be legal if already fitted to a motorcycle manufactured before a certain date which I can't be bothered to look up

From Jan 1st 1973 it has to be for all intents and purposes the same as a modern plate, except for the type-face regulations which apply from 1st September 2001.
I suspect the DVLA and the British Standards people would take a dim view to anyone slapping BS AU 145d on a piece of ally with what most definitely is NOT the 'standard character font'.

That said, I doubt plod would stop you for it, unless ANPR was upset about it. Keep a copy of the Ebay page to hand though, afterall if you do get shafted you may as well take them down with you.

Here's the joe public friendly leaflet (as supplied to me by plod)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4jjtgf66aarnf5/number_plates_dg_067666.pdf?dl=0

and here's the Sir Humphrey Appleby friendly low down
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/561/pdfs/uksi_20010561_en.pdf
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
I suspect the DVLA and the British Standards people would take a dim view to anyone slapping BS AU 145d on a piece of ally with what most definitely is NOT the 'standard character font'.

I suspect that if you wandered o'er the land on a thousand year quest that you would never find anyone in those organisations who could bestir themselves to give a single solitary fuck about it.

DVSA and MOT testers, just perhaps, but only to the extent of not issuing an MOT pass.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they care around here, had 7x5 and 9x3 in the last 5 years and never once got pulled up about them, even after a few run ins with the law over traffic offences.

Like already mentioned, as long as ANPR can ping you and it isn't ridiculously illegal (bad fonts, 3d, etc) I don't think they really care.

Been out again today and the plate has warped again with the heat. This metal one will be here next week so it will hold up until then (waste of £20 for the plastic one).
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not do a vinyl sticker then stick that onto a bit of sheet metal. Job done.
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