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Maimboy
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Filtering magic or idiocy? Reply with quote

I have a filtering question. Most mornings I have to endure joining a heavily congested dual-carriageway, from an equally congested slip road. Filtering up the outside I often have to stop or trickle along at 3mph, looking for a gap while avoiding running into the vehicle ahead. It's deeply annoying.

However, I recently witnessed a knight of the road (a scooter rider) make the following manoeuvre (which I have illustrated for you at great expense), and now I use it every day; no stopping, no dawdling, I just zip into the traffic flow ahead of the other vehicles fighting for position.

Question is: is it foolish and/or illegal?
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Tis the sort of thing I do on a daily basis.

In my opinion, any gap is good to go, if the bike I'm riding will fit through the gap, and I can make progress (by that I mean get to the front of a queue), I do it. Pavements aren't out of the question either.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may undertake traffic waiting to turn right, but not at any other time.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do it. And they are waiting to turn right, on to the dual carriageway Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering it makes it so much easier to do compared to the alternative that you suggested, then it has to be illegal. Anything that makes a difficult situation like that easy to overcome has to be. Laughing!

As for the "only undertake when turning right":

Highway Code Rule 163 wrote:
Should only overtake on the left/undertake if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right. Doing so, in itself, will not cause a person to be prosecuted.


It is advisory, not an absolute rule.

Also, on all roads, you are allowed to undertake if the vehicles in the lane immediately to your right are congested/slow moving. Basically, undertaking is allowed in congested conditions.

As for the above picture, I'm not sure. It could be construed as dangerous/careless driving if you do it without looking/taking proper precautions, but personally I would do it and consider it 'filtering', just DON'T use the hard shoulder.

Go for it. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
You may undertake traffic waiting to turn right, but not at any other time.


You may also not exceed 60 mph in an NSL. Doesn't mean we don't do it.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeyg143 wrote:
Frost wrote:
You may undertake traffic waiting to turn right, but not at any other time.


You may also not exceed 60 mph in an NSL. Doesn't mean we don't do it.


I assume you're talking about single carriageways... NSL roads with two or three lanes are of course 70mph. I'm not saying you didn't know this, but it amazes me how many people believe motorways are 70 and A roads 60.
*rolls eyes*
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet-pack?, Helicopter? Flashing blue lights?, your own personal tank? Thumbs Up they will all help you get to the front of the queue Smile Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
I assume you're talking about single carriageways... NSL roads with two or three lanes are of course 70mph. I'm not saying you didn't know this, but it amazes me how many people believe motorways are 70 and A roads 60.
*rolls eyes*


I think you'll find, it's nothing to do with the number of lanes, but with the presence (or lack thereof) of a physical barrier (i.e. grass, crash barrier, etc) between the two directions of traffic. If there is one, the A road is a "dual carriageway" and a 70 limit, if there is no physical barrier, regardless of the number of lanes, the limit is 60.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
mikeyg143 wrote:
You may also not exceed 60 mph in an NSL. Doesn't mean we don't do it.


I assume you're talking about single carriageways... NSL roads with two or three lanes are of course 70mph. I'm not saying you didn't know this, but it amazes me how many people believe motorways are 70 and A roads 60.
*rolls eyes*


Yep, I should have been more specific.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your biggest risk in making that maneuver is if several vehicles all push into the queue together but one towards the back is a bit late getting in then a long gap can form in front of him, and as he squeezes over if the vehicle behind him decides to dodge around him to jump a few places using the newly-opened gap. If you happen to be cruising up the inside at the moment he decides to make a lunge you're gonna get squished into the barrier or planted into his rear quarter.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, when it comes to speed limits as above:

Single-carriageway NSL: 60mph.
Dual-carriageway NSL: 70mph.

This means that single carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, no central reservation) is 60mph limit under NSL.

Dual carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, split by a central reservation) is a 70mph limit under NSL.

This is all for a standard car/motorcycle as obviously the limit is variable for towing vehicles/HGVs.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As cars are moving right off the slip road onto the main carriageway, I'd argue its SAFER to be on the left, as they may see a gap and pull into it crossing solid white lines and hatched boxes to do so.

As for undertaking... its slow moving traffic, so you could argue that its allowable.

I've been told that in and of itself, undertaking is not an offence, but it can be seen as driving without due care and attention or even dangerous driving, and it'd be one of these offences you'd be called up on.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I filter on the left all the time. I don't enjoy it, though, and it's only in static traffic - if I can get on the outside, I'll do that.

The traffic doesn't expect to see anyone on the left, but at least in your case the lane's are a bit wider than some shitty london a-road, and you've got the shoulder to dive into, and there's little or no reason for anyone to turn left across you (not that that is any reason for them not to!)
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that specific instance I'd probably do that, but in first at about 25/30 so I'm making lots of noise. if theres two lines of traffic on a slip (like the m61/m60 junction) I tend to go down the middle then skip into the left lane.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's a gap use it. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
You may undertake traffic waiting to turn right, but not at any other time.

Or when your lane of traffic is moving at a faster pace.
There is no specific law against undertaking.

I'd consider crossing the hatched area early and joining the queue of traffic early (dotted not solid lines, so you can enter). Whatever, you need to be careful of people moving over to let others in.
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

snikks wrote:


I think you'll find, it's nothing to do with the number of lanes, but with the presence (or lack thereof) of a physical barrier (i.e. grass, crash barrier, etc) between the two directions of traffic. If there is one, the A road is a "dual carriageway" and a 70 limit, if there is no physical barrier, regardless of the number of lanes, the limit is 60.


Where did you get that information from?
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:

Where did you get that information from?

Highway code:
https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070308
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
snikks wrote:


I think you'll find, it's nothing to do with the number of lanes, but with the presence (or lack thereof) of a physical barrier (i.e. grass, crash barrier, etc) between the two directions of traffic. If there is one, the A road is a "dual carriageway" and a 70 limit, if there is no physical barrier, regardless of the number of lanes, the limit is 60.


Where did you get that information from?

As G has said above, look in the highway code.

Quoting from my post above:

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As far as I know, when it comes to speed limits as above:

Single-carriageway NSL: 60mph.
Dual-carriageway NSL: 70mph.

This means that single carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, no central reservation) is 60mph limit under NSL.

Dual carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, split by a central reservation) is a 70mph limit under NSL.


A single-carriageway can have three lanes on either side, but it's still a 60mph limit if there is no central reservation. Likewise a dual-carriageway can only have one lane either side but if it has a central reservation like a grass gap/barrier etc then it's a 70mph limit.

This is all for normal cars though, HGVs/towing vehicles etc have other specific limits.

Read the Highway Code, it is important you know! Razz.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do that. In fact, if i knew what was coming up, I'd probably be on the left all the way down.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
If there's a gap use it. Smile


This ^

Get to the front by any means necessary Smile
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