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PostPosted: 10:23 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Guitar Set-Up Question Reply with quote

Bought the Strat with 9s, switched to 10s. But these seem to have put a lot more tension on the bridge, so it's lifting at the back, and the tuning is unstable; especially a problem when swapping between different tunings, it all takes forever and then quickly goes out of tune (knew there was a reason I preferred non-trem Rolling Eyes ). So, I have the option of a free set-up at PMTs, but wondered if it was easy enough, something I could learn to sort for myself first? Any ideas/tips/how-to?

I seem to remember sorting this on a previous guitar simply by adding 2 extra springs on the trem, but perhaps not the ideal solution (worked though)?
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the cover off the hole, on the back of the body, and tighten the two screws that hold the spring mechanism to the body of the guitar.
That's worked for me in the past.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loosen the strings a bit, drop it a step and a half. Remove the cover if its got no holes already, as Suntan Sid says, screw them in. If there is no room to screw them in I used to just add a few small washers between the plate and the screw head.

You think that trem is hassle, try a floating one.

Alternatively, you could chop a block of wood and put between the trem and body, again under that access panel. No matter what you do then, it can't pull forwards.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

you may need to give the truss rod a tweak as well as you have changed the tension on the neck
maybe better to take the free setup unless your comfortable adjusting the truss
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Take the cover off the hole, on the back of the body, and tighten the two screws that hold the spring mechanism to the body of the guitar.
That's worked for me in the past.


Paddy. wrote:
Loosen the strings a bit, drop it a step and a half. Remove the cover if its got no holes already, as Suntan Sid says, screw them in.


Cheers chaps, have screwed them in a few turns, and seems to have done the trick Thumbs Up Will see for sure when I change out the rusty bits of barbed wire for some fresh strings Rolling Eyes

Paddy. wrote:
You think that trem is hassle, try a floating one.


I once had a Washburn G2V with Floyd Rose - just changing strings was a pain on that bloody thing.

old pink wrote:
you may need to give the truss rod a tweak as well as you have changed the tension on the neck
maybe better to take the free setup unless your comfortable adjusting the truss


As said, seems ok, but I'll see how it is with new strings later. How would I know if this is necessary? And is it easy to do?
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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you may need to give the truss rod a tweak as well as you have changed the tension on the neck
maybe better to take the free setup unless your comfortable adjusting the truss


As said, seems ok, but I'll see how it is with new strings later. How would I know if this is necessary? And is it easy to do?


going from 9 to 10 will have a very small effect but possible
raising the Gauge normally pulls more on the neck lifting the strings off the fretboard
to compensate you need to increase the tension slightly in small steps not more than 1/4 turn at a time and see how it feels when you play
if you go too far you will get fret buzz just go back half the last step until your happy
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

New strings and given a hammering. No buzzes, all sweet Very Happy

Cheers again.
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have to adjust the truss rod on mine every few weeks... then I got multiple guitars. Going from B standard and 13 gauge to Eb on 10s was effort Laughing

Glad it's better chickenstrip
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I used to have to adjust the truss rod on mine every few weeks... then I got multiple guitars. Going from B standard and 13 gauge to Eb on 10s was effort Laughing

Glad it's better chickenstrip


I used to use 11-52 gauges (SRV fan - he used 13-52 Shocked ); nice tone, but they tore my fingers to pieces with all the string bending Laughing Hence going from 9s to 10s - the 9s don't last 5 minutes. Haven't played the electric for a couple of months, so even 10s are giving me sore fingers at the moment, but they'll soon callous up again.

On the acoustic, I don't have the same problem. Don't do quite as much string bending on that, and tend to let the tuning drop from standard, as I'm only playing by myself anyway, and I go relatively light with the gauges on that - 10s too (Martin extra lights). Have to capo at the 2nd fret on that though as my dodgy shoulder doesn't like reaching down to the nut a lot. This actually gives quite a nice sound for some of the stuff I play on the acoustic. Also, I use 4 or 5 different tunings on the acoustic for different stuff I play. On the electric, I tend only to go from standard to open G for slide playing. Never needed to adjust the action for that, and I haven't a clue about setting up - I'm not one to get technical with guitars, I just play em!
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

latest addition to the collection my son bought Schecter 8 which he plays in all sorts of drop tuning
I can't play his 7 string never mind this beast
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
latest addition to the collection my son bought Schecter 8 which he plays in all sorts of drop tuning
I can't play his 7 string never mind this beast


Oooh, Schecter, get you! Flash git! Laughing Bloody expensive aren't they? Only person I can think of that plays those is Mark Knopfler, or he used to.

No, 7 & 8 string I won't be getting my head around! Wouldn't mind a nice acoustic 12 though, could work nicely with some of the celtic style tunes I play, that need a drone underneath.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've mainly use LTD, ESP, Ibanez and Schecter. The latter are superb, for the money you really can't beat it. Many many models, many many gigs... many dodgy nights.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Schecter. The latter are superb, for the money you really can't beat it.


I always had the impression that price-wise, these were pretty exclusive - not that I've followed trends lately. I used to bunch them in with things like PRS and Gretsch as quality but super-expensive guitars, in my mind. Jeez, a brand new Fender Strat was enough to be laying out for, for me! Too much really, but I do like em, and hopefully I'll hang on to this one and get my money's worth.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 3 schecter guitars were between 700 and 1200. Nothing crazy when idiots spend over 2k on wood. Razz

Nothing has really impressed me as much as my C7 hellraiser.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't think he paid that much for it (about £400) pretty much what I paid for his Schecter 7

chickenstrip 12 strings are great to play ( I have 5) and a really good way to harden up your fingers and improve fingering as you need to be more precise in placement
when I go back to a 6 string it feels very soft,

I picked up two of the sweetest 12 string EKO guitars from the late 60's
for under £150 each much more playable and better sounding that current fender type £150 offerings
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Block off the trem.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real men use 11s.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 03 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using one of these.
https://www.tinaspicks.com/uploads/6/6/6/9/6669792/8003476.png?217
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surbitom wrote:
Real men use 11s.


But how do I tune to B Sad
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Surbitom wrote:
Real men use 11s.


But how do I tune to B Sad


You buy a 7-string and be done with it Very Happy

Last time I used 10s, I was messing about with tunings. EAEBC#E is a good one - but tuning the G to B was uncomfortable to say the least. I literally had to turn my head away and close my eyes every single time because I was so scared it was going to snap and blind me Laughing

My favourite strings at the moment are .010-.052 (basically 10s on the top and 11.5s on the bottom).

https://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/mfg/574/product_image/thm/t350_78192664bea8a5ab76b7359e8cf35224.jpg?1294129995

Buy them Thumbs Up

And while you're at it, get some Jim Dunlop 3.0mm Big Stubbies - the 3.0mm is the dark purple one on the right:

https://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/475-Big-Stubby-Guitar-Picks-3.0-mm-6-Pack/110096000442173-00-500x500.jpg

Many loud, such phat, very tone Thumbs Up

Also, hybrid gauges feel more natural to me - and they're better for necks and truss rods. I find it a lot easier to set the intonation with hybrid gauge strings. If you're too much of a pussy for the .010-.052s, try the .009-.046s (9s on the top and 10s on the bottom).

https://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/mfg/574/product_image/thm/t350_b4a0a9ea4dd4837bc48d4c3411a469f1.jpg?1294129995

Also very good, but too light for me Sad
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

All bout the .88mm and 58-13's

I had a 7 string... it was superb, but you know... sometimes it was likely playing a plank, wider than my knob Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can happily swap from a 6 to a 12 string and vise versa but I can't figure out a 7 string
esp as my son normally has his tuned to C or some other weird tuning
he uses heavy gauge strings to allow the drops
he even has my Godin on 13's but in Dd tune (no idea why)
but means I can't tune to E as it pulls the neck way off and makes it feel like a slide guitar

my personal string choice is Elixier 10 - 46 esp on the 12's but bloody expensive Sad
esp when you have 3 main 12's to do at any one time
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 06 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a used Squire Jagmaster recently, what a guitar, it came with 9's, I stuck 11's on it, after snapping the 9's within two weeks, when tuning it, it pulled the tremolo bar thing up, so I just stole two more springs from the back of the china-strat I was using to thrash around on, that seemed to sort it, it wasn't until afterwards, I noticed the screwed going into the body and realised that I probably could have just tightened them down more to adjust spring tension. Rolling Eyes

Never mind, china-strat sounds funny with only one spring in it and Jagmaster sounds as evil as ever, s'all good. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 23:16 - 19 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surbitom wrote:

My favourite strings at the moment are .010-.052 (basically 10s on the top and 11.5s on the bottom).

https://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/mfg/574/product_image/thm/t350_78192664bea8a5ab76b7359e8cf35224.jpg?1294129995

Buy them Thumbs Up


I quite agree! got them on my old Fernandes.
playing bass almost exclusively means when I do play guitar 9s feel like rubber bands to me.
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