Leeds floods

Lord Percy · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2012 Karma :

Bit of disaster porn for you all...

https://www.facebook.com/s.aitken88/media_set?set=a.10154396488558496.1073741846.505883495&type=3¬if_t=like

A few old people I chatted to said they'd never seen it like this in all their years living here.

Although, aside from Kirkstall and a few properties by the docks, Leeds has actually been mostly alright with this flooding.

If anyone has any other pictures from their area, feel free to share...

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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

I'm gutted for all my family as they are all from, and currently live in Leeds, apart from me, and my immediate family, who are southern fairies now. Laughing

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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

Really feel for those up there in Cumbria and Yorkshire.

They (weather people) saying it's a once in a life time coincidence of weather patterns causing it. I'm not convinced.
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Llama-Farmer · World Chat Champion Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Karma :

Reminds me of the 2007 floods in Sheffield & Leeds.

Never saw anything like it before... floodwater rising completely above the ground floor and up to first floor windows.

Our garage got 3 inches of water in... which is quite something since we're halfway up a hill and the garage is more than 2 metres above road level
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doggone · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 May 2004 Karma :

The Monbiot bandwagon rolls on, in reality uplands largely covered in peat hold more water than any other land type.
If you plant trees you dry the peat out, it oxidises and rots away (releasing CO2).
If you don't graze the area, or don't periodically burn patches in a controlled way, scrubby growth takes over, there will be large summer fires and the peat is lost again
I'm actually in favour of more trees on the uplands but this suddenly trendy attempt to suggest farmers are recently being encouraged to make changes which are directly contributing to more flooding is laughable.

When several inches of rain fall over a couple of days and the river catchments are already waterlogged it is just going to run down hill you can't change that.

I note many specific incidents directly caused by reduced maintenance like failure to clear roadside ditches and gullies and ensure debris is not scattered about which can block bridges and culverts.
For decades now neglect of waterways has been comfortably implied to be good for wildlife when the main reason is cost cutting and inefficient management by the quango bodies in charge.
Also for centuries past channels have been cleared and material spread on the bank alongside.
This is no longer allowed and in most situations it has to be hauled away and treated like waste.
Main result huge increase in cost and difficulty of actually clearing the stream in less than perfect conditions.

ThoughtContro... · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Karma :

I'm just waiting for Monbiot and Grauniad parrots to start chanting the mantra, "Global Warming!"

Pay all your Carbon Taxes to Al Gore and everything will be just fine, as manbearpig will have been tamed. I'm super cereal.
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Rob Fzs · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 Oct 2015 Karma :

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-cause-flooding-government-7078739

much better article on the real issue
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Lord Percy · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2012 Karma :

Personally I think global warming is probably a real issue since the vast majority of science seems to agree. I'm not an expert myself but I'd rather rely on the intelligent, tested and re-tested, peer-reviewed accounts of the professionals, instead of uninformed amateur opinions of naysayers.

However.

I thought the recent floods were caused by an El Nino event, which isn't global warming and isn't uncommon or alarming. It's just that it only happens every 10 or 20 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35172409

The article about dredging is quite interesting though. Certainly would have helped!

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Lord Percy · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2012 Karma :

To be honest I don't think it's a case of either/or.

I remember learning about the risks of overdeveloping areas where water flows because of the exact reason that the 'sponge' effect of the ground is lost.

There's a lot of information on it actually and once again I'm going to have to say I'd be more willing to trust accumulated professional geographical research over the word of mouth of farmers. Just because something sounds all lardy darr with its '-ology' suffix, it doesn't mean the whole thing should be discredited. That's a classic case of blind anti-intellectualism and is pretty much the cause of today's Idiot Britain.

Anyway aside from that, it's probably true that dredging ought to be done as well. I don't know much about that but it sounds right enough. However it's not right to say the geography professionals are wrong about the water run-off/sponge issue either. But yes, people like George Monbiot might be misplacing their criticisms because, as RobFsz pointed out, the British rural landscape hasn't really changed much as far as I can tell. In my area it's all dry stone walls, grass and trees, and I'm pretty sure it's been like that for long enough.

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ThoughtContro... · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Karma :

I don't think anyone thinks developing flood plain land for new build housing estates is sensible other than housing developers and estate agents looking to make money. On a related issue, inviting in a large replacement population does no good to ease the pressure on sensible and sustainable long term housing and land use.

The reason why there is a jaded cynicism for modern supposed earth-based green "-ology" sciences is because science, like the majority of education has become politicised. It's "education" to promote an agenda, that is not to be questioned or debated, or you and your career are toast. Dissent and you are a "denier". Expect a large gaggle of screaming cultists, who swallowed the agenda wholesale, asking for your head. If you have a career, then shut up, say nothing out of place or publish anything that questions the agenda, and you wont end up pushing shopping trolleys in Asda. Modern education and science are not places to challenge belief systems, they're there to repeat what you were told and follow the herd. Tradition and accumulated cultural and empirical knowledge, gained over centuries, are part of the racist patriarchy that needs to die out.
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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

As someone said earlier, man made eco structures have to be maintained.

It's all very well walling the river off from the floodplains where we have stupidly built houses, but by concentrating the river flow we speed up the flow and increase the damage caused by the river.

Bastardising Newtons law, For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction so stop something somewhere and the chances are it will break out somewhere else.

The trouble is the environment agency seem to think that flood walls around towns will sort the problem out and don't seem to be looking at the wider picture.
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Howling TerrorOutOfOffice · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Karma :

Interesting. I read somewhere that we've covered an area the size of Lancashire in concrete since the WWII and thought that may have contributed to flooding...but thinking again I can see that if 5" of rain falls in 24hrs it's gonna flood regardless.
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Rob Fzs · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 Oct 2015 Karma :

Dopey environment agency guy on tv now saying they need a total rethink of what flood defenses should really be, they said this 12 months ago, they have no idea
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