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floppo22
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Recommend A Bike! (+ Slip-on Exhaust) Reply with quote

Hi All,

I'm about to buy my first A2 Bike and am lost for choice. I thought if I list some 'must haves' for a bike, you may be able to suggest something I should check out?

- Relatively thin/narrow, nothing too chunky (it's mainly going to be used for commuting to work and I'm always having to filter through dense traffic).

- Nothing CRAZY powerful (it has to be compatible with an A2 license and I don't particularly relish having to get a restrictor fitted)

- Awesome deep sound. I fully expect to fit a slip-on exhaust, so whichever bike + exhaust combination you can recommend. Reason being is the same as above, most of my time is spent filtering and it does add an element of comfort if I know I'm loud when doing so.

- Preferably non-shit stock tyres.

In my head I've currently got a CB500F/R in mind, with a Akrapovic/Leo Vince slip-on. However, presumably because of the relatively docile engine, the sound just doesn't do it for me.

Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha MT03
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Yamaha MT03


Had a quick look on Youtube - holy hell!

It's beautiful, affordable, decent size and seems to sound amazing if fitted with a Leovince... first reply and may be on to a winner Razz

Thanks for the suggestion!
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which MT-03, you have to be more specific now Smile (I know you mean the 660).

I feel like everyone likes these and I come along like Eeyore to pi$$ in everyone's cornflakes.

IMO it's a right moment bike, as in at the right moment it's a lot of fun. The rest of the time the heavy clutch, not so great fueling, and crap tank range make it a difficult bike to live with. It's also quite heavy for a big single, although it's beautifully balanced and you can almost control the thing using telepathy.

I like mine, but I wouldn't have another, and come April when the insurance's due I'm probably going to sell it. It's a well built but flawed machine, with iffy electrics.

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PostPosted: 23:46 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read: https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/ there are more motorcycles than that, of course. Nearly every motorcycle that's 70kW and less could be made A2 friendly. Thumbs Up

Also, if commuting is what you are going to do often, I wouldn't really go for a too loud exhaust system. Excessive noise gets tiring pretty soon. Plus, all the neighbors are gonna start to like you even more. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Excessive noise gets tiring pretty soon. Plus, all the neighbors are gonna start to like you even more. Thumbs Up

Does it? Smile I never got bored of the sound, especially in tunnels, although you can sometimes confuse yourself and think there's another biker following you Razz

Also I know it's a perennial debate on BCF, but I've noticed a loud exhaust does seem to make a difference with cagers acknowledging your existence. However as the MT-03's quite a loud bike anyway I'd probably leave the baffles in Wink
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Recommend A Bike! (+ Slip-on Exhaust) Reply with quote

floppo22 wrote:
- Awesome deep sound. I fully expect to fit a slip-on exhaust, so whichever bike + exhaust combination you can recommend.


If you want deep sound you need V twin engine.

You can get Suzuki SFV 650 or Ducati Monster 821 no need for slip on here the originals has perfect sound.

Suzuki has made SFV as direct competition to Monster. IMO SFV is better Monster than the original Laughing

Check this sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCX8O4GSh0I

The original sound is great add IXIL exaust and it gets superb Laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPWjemkK5E
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
98 - 03 Fazer 600.
I'm fairly certain that a Fazer can only be full A. 0-60 in 3.8 and a claimed top of 135mph? Can't see that fitting A2 requirements.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fitting a noisy pipe for the sake of it is stupid (i.e. on it's own, not as part of an overall tuning package). Keep it stock.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
MrGs1 wrote:
98 - 03 Fazer 600.
I'm fairly certain that a Fazer can only be full A. 0-60 in 3.8 and a claimed top of 135mph? Can't see that fitting A2 requirements.

Depending which lie you believe, it might just barely squeak in under 70kW.

OP wants 35kW native though, which is a much smaller list. "Awesome deep sound" is problematical. Big singles sound like big singles. Thumpthumpthump. Most 35kW twins aren't that big.

I wonder, has anyone ever put a shouty exhaust on an NC700? Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Fitting a noisy pipe for the sake of it is stupid (i.e. on it's own, not as part of an overall tuning package). Keep it stock.


Why?

I've got cans on all 3 of my bikes, in fact I've had them on nearly every bike I owned. They look better than the originals and they sound better. Why would you not want to do something that improves the look and makes riding a bike more fun?
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
MrGs1 wrote:
98 - 03 Fazer 600.
I'm fairly certain that a Fazer can only be full A. 0-60 in 3.8 and a claimed top of 135mph? Can't see that fitting A2 requirements.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=289785
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:


Why?

I've got cans on all 3 of my bikes, in fact I've had them on nearly every bike I owned. They look better than the originals and they sound better. Why would you not want to do something that improves the look and makes riding a bike more fun?


"More fun" is subjective though, i've grown out of bikes honking their guts out through an open can on the road. Looks wise i find standard cans to be of very good quality, usually only Yoshi and that ilk get anywhere close. Some aftermarket cans are absolute crap. Granted two of my bikes have aftermarket pipes, but one is a tuned two stroke with intake mods (so tangible power gains) and my 400 had already had the original one piece system butchered, so i just came up with a proper mounting system and bolted on a better can (with a db killer).
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your responses so far everyone, I'm jotting them down and will be visiting various dealers throughout the week to have a look!

Many thanks again!
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SV650SKid wrote:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=289785


But https://a2bikes.co.uk and https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/ suggest otherwise.

Is there really no '.gov.uk' definitive list?
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:

https://a2bikes.co.uk/bike/yamaha-fzr600 says yes. But doesn't specify years, or cite any sources, and uses a different power number than Yamaha provides.

It's a spergsite with no way of correcting obvious idiocy like the Gixxer 600 being a "yes" based on the RWHP that another sperg absolutely insists on restoring on Wikipedia despite several attempts to clarify it. I'm out.

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Is there really no '.gov.uk' definitive list?

Nope. DVSA's list of test bikes is as close as you'll get, as incomplete and occasionally inaccurate as it is. There's no "definitive" list of bike power to use for drawing one up as it didn't used to be necessary to disclose it. Harley still don't, for that matter.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

floppo22, I'd suggest getting the cheapest 'decent condition' bike you can find that fits your 'must haves', as it'll take you a while riding to decide on a definitive list of real 'must haves'.
Meanwhile you stand a fair chance of dropping your new bike in a car park or moving it around a garage etc.
The important part is to get your license and then you can take your time to decide what's right for you. If you change bike every few months, no problem.
Also you don't mention how long you're stuck with an A2. If it's not long then you may want to put off your decision until you're not limited in this way.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you want to restrict a bike down to 47bhp? It's really not that difficult. Worse case scenario, you have a mechanic fit the restrictors kit... It'll take no more than an hour so you're talking £30/40 to have it fitted (+ however much restrictors kits are now).

My personal opinion is that the FZS600 or Duke 690 (dependent on budget) is the best A2 bike on paper. In my experience, the GSX750F (albeit unrestricted) was a cracking bike to ride, it's just a shame about the looks, but they are A2 compatable. I've ridden the MT-03 on my lessons and tests for my A2 and I think it'd come boring very quickly.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
the GSX750F [is] A2 compatable.

Same bore/stroke/compression/carbs:

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsx750f%2090.htm = 2 much powah

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsx750f_05.htm = not 2 much powah

Emissions strangling? Claimed power vs tested RWHP?

Probably get away with it, but it might be worthwhile asking Suzuki.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Az wrote:
the GSX750F [is] A2 compatable.

Same bore/stroke/compression/carbs:

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsx750f%2090.htm = 2 much powah

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsx750f_05.htm = not 2 much powah

Emissions strangling? Claimed power vs tested RWHP?

Probably get away with it, but it might be worthwhile asking Suzuki.


Sorry I was talking about the 98 onwards 750F. Friend had one on his A2 (until a lady wrote it off with her Fiesta) & he never had an issue. Would be worth asking Suzuki though as you said, to be certain as it's very close to the limit according to online sites.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:

My personal opinion is that the FZS600 or Duke 690 (dependent on budget) is the best A2 bike on paper. In my experience, the GSX750F (albeit unrestricted) was a cracking bike to ride, it's just a shame about the looks, but they are A2 compatable. I've ridden the MT-03 on my lessons and tests for my A2 and I think it'd come boring very quickly.

Boring would probably be the last word I'd use to describe an '03. IMO the only point in getting something like a Fazer would be with an eye on doing your A tests, otherwise you're just getting a big heavy bike for no reason (as it'll be restricted).

Duke 690's seem to be holding their value (really well), OP hasn't stated a budget but they might be a good shout. However I'd be having a serious look at smaller bikes (300cc etc.) as they look a lot more fun than a restricted barge.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Az wrote:

My personal opinion is that the FZS600 or Duke 690 (dependent on budget) is the best A2 bike on paper. In my experience, the GSX750F (albeit unrestricted) was a cracking bike to ride, it's just a shame about the looks, but they are A2 compatable. I've ridden the MT-03 on my lessons and tests for my A2 and I think it'd come boring very quickly.

Boring would probably be the last word I'd use to describe an '03. IMO the only point in getting something like a Fazer would be with an eye on doing your A tests, otherwise you're just getting a big heavy bike for no reason (as it'll be restricted).

Duke 690's seem to be holding their value (really well), OP hasn't stated a budget but they might be a good shout. However I'd be having a serious look at smaller bikes (300cc etc.) as they look a lot more fun than a restricted barge.


But now ask yourself the question, how many people really keep there bikes restricted. Out of the fair few A2 license holders I know, not one has their bike restricted.

Also I'd imagine anyone doing there A2 will most likely be moving up to their A. So if they do keep it restricted, it saves them the effort of having to find a new bike after upgrading license.

As for my opinion on the MT, it's just my opinion. I found it fairly gutless and jerky. When you compare it to other big singles out there, it is a very boring bike, the duke 690 being a prime example.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ400 SM is worth a look too.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:

But now ask yourself the question, how many people really keep there bikes restricted. Out of the fair few A2 license holders I know, not one has their bike restricted.

OP sounds like they want to be 'legit'.

Az wrote:
Also I'd imagine anyone doing there A2 will most likely be moving up to their A. So if they do keep it restricted, it saves them the effort of having to find a new bike after upgrading license.

Pretty sure I said the same thing Smile Getting a bike you can de-restrict in the test centre car park, and do your A tests is a good idea. However getting (for example) a Bandit, restricting it, with no intention of keeping it is a waste of time and unnecessary IMO.

Az wrote:
I found it fairly gutless and jerky. When you compare it to other big singles out there, it is a very boring bike, the duke 690 being a prime example.

Do you have any other examples? The 690 has it beat, but I can't think of another. The jerkiness is almost completely sorted with a £10 o2 sensor eliminator, almost as only at high revs when you chop at the throttle can it still be jerky.

Anyway, didn't you used to have a Bandit? I think it was you who got offended when I called it a Blandit Very Happy
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