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Fiona84
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PostPosted: 06:46 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

Just got my DL196 and the bike should be ready soon.
Do I need L plates at both ends?
And, would my partner need to remove them when he is riding (he has a full licence)?
Is he likely to get pulled up if he rides with L plates on with me on the back, or if he takes it on the motorway without taking the L plates off?
The bike currently only has one bolted to the number plate.
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, needed both ends. Full size, vertically mounted.

Partner might be pulled in the cases you mention, and according to Highway Code should remove the plates, but it's probably going to be difficult to put them off and on a bike, so I'd guess any police would be understanding.


This is all in the HC, btw, which you should be cramming if you're new on the roads/adding bike Wink
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

Yes. Front and back.

You are supposed to remove them when being riden by a fully licenced rider.

I'll let you guess what the answer is to the other 2 question;s Rolling Eyes given what a "L" plated rider CAN'T do....
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

[quote="Fiona84"]Just got my DL196 and the bike should be ready soon.
Do I need L plates at both ends?
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As said, yes, and they must be the size they come out of the packet.

[quote="Fiona84"][quote="Fiona84"]And, would my partner need to remove them when he is riding (he has a full licence)?


He has to remove them, the only motorcycles allowed to have L plates on with a full licence holder are training school bikes.

Fiona84 wrote:
Is he likely to get pulled up if he rides with L plates on with me on the back,


Possibly not. But is it worth the risk?
Fiona84 wrote:

or if he takes it on the motorway without taking the L plates off?


You can pretty much expect a fine in the post, most motoways these days have ANPR camera coverage and L plates on the motorway will be spotted. If the bike is licenced to a learner you can pretty much guarantee points for using the motorway not in accordance to your licence, Using the motorway on L plates, and trying to prove it was not the learner on the bike would be next to impossible.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:


He has to remove them, the only motorcycles allowed to have L plates on with a full licence holder are training school bikes.

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Are you sure? I don't believe there's anything in legislation
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instructor simply placed a strip of electrical tape diagonally over the plate when it was being used by a non learner. Seems a lot do that
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

Oh dear. I'm going to have to go in dry on this one. Mad love.

arry wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
He has to remove them, the only motorcycles allowed to have L plates on with a full licence holder are training school bikes. .

Are you sure? I don't believe there's anything in legislation

There's nothing. Highway code spergs "Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles)." but there's no Act creating an offence or Regulation specifying the details.

That said, I'd probably put a line of electrical tape over them anyway, since Constable McRant might not agree, and can find some other way to ruin your day when you invite him to do one.


pinkyfloyd wrote:
You can pretty much expect a fine in the post, most motoways these days have ANPR camera coverage and L plates on the motorway will be spotted.

Automatic Number Plate Recognition, not L plates. Why would they look for a plate that doesn't signify that an offence is being committed?

pinkyfloyd wrote:
If the bike is licenced to a learner

That would require DVLA and DVSA to talk to each other. Also, the registered keeper is not necessarily the driver. A business owner could be banned but still keep vehicles that his monkeys drive.

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Using the motorway on L plates

No such offence. You can get an MW10 for using a motorway without a license, but the plates are neither here nor there.

pinkyfloyd wrote:
and trying to prove it was not the learner on the bike would be next to impossible.

You'd fill in the Section 172 and that would be the end of it.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Rog said, not an offence, but I usually take them off the Mrs' bike when I use it just to avoid unwanted attention, mainly if I'm going to be taking a pillion.

Two screws for the back plate, one screw for the front. Only takes a minute.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've ridden 2 up on a bike with L's and not had an issue, same with motorways. Its not an issue.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

arry wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:


He has to remove them, the only motorcycles allowed to have L plates on with a full licence holder are training school bikes.

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Are you sure? I don't believe there's anything in legislation


Yes I am sure. According to the DVSA at Cardington while I was under assessment he informed us bike schools and Cardington assessors have a special dispensation but you are not allowed to ride on L plates if you are a full licence holder.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
you are not allowed to ride on L plates if you are a full licence holder.


You definitely are Thumbs Up DVSA know just enough to leave primary school Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
According to the DVSA at Cardington while I was under assessment he informed us bike schools and Cardington assessors have a special dispensation but you are not allowed to ride on L plates if you are a full licence holder.

As always, when someone tells you that you're "not allowed" to do something, the response should be:

What's the offence? What Act? What Regulations?

As an instructor, you'll be familiar with the Highway Code, right?

Here's what it says about L plates:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/annex-3-motor-vehicle-documentation-and-learner-driver-requirements

Highway Code wrote:
Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).


Note "MUST" vs "should".

Here's the legislation that it cites supporting that paragraph.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/regulation/16/made

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/4/made

There's no other secret legislation. Really, that's it. There's not one word in there prohibiting display of L plates on a vehicle not being driven by the holder of a provisional license, and if there was, there's no "dispensation" for training school vehicles.

Highway Code made it up, Charlie Cardigan faithfully repeated it, and now you're doing the same. Sads, I has them. Sad
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
According to the DVSA at Cardington while I was under assessment he informed us bike schools and Cardington assessors have a special dispensation but you are not allowed to ride on L plates if you are a full licence holder.


But bike schools don't need dispensation do they? The only person on the bike with the L Plates is the student, instructors ride their own bikes and don't need to display an L Plate at all.

As for Cardington assessors where does the need for an L Plate come into it? Nobody there is a learner or has been in at least their last 3 years of riding.

Ill informed opinions and incorrect information saturate the motorcycle training industry and it looks like it is coming right from the top.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:

But bike schools don't need dispensation do they? The only person on the bike with the L Plates is the student, instructors ride their own bikes and don't need to display an L Plate at all.


There has been times when the road ride has been terminated and the student has been taken back to the yard on either the instructors bike or in a car. Got to get the bike back to the yard. It happens. I have had to terminate a road ride a good few miles away from the yard.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:

But bike schools don't need dispensation do they? The only person on the bike with the L Plates is the student, instructors ride their own bikes and don't need to display an L Plate at all.

The highway code is reffering to cars mainly, as driving school vehicles are generally covered in L plate signs and roof mounted displays of learnerists.

There seems to be no specific law against using L plates as a full licence holder, just an advisory to cover/remove them.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
You are supposed to remove them when being ridden by a fully licenced rider.

Thinking

Really, iooi,
I'm rather inclined to think that Fiona would be a tad preoccupied at the time to be faffing about with L plates . . .


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PostPosted: 07:47 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trade when riding a customers bike with L plates fro more than a very short round the block put black tape across the L

Yes I have been stopped with L plates displayed as my riding didn't look like a learner and I was reminded to tape the plates
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Yes I have been stopped with L plates displayed as my riding didn't look like a learner and I was reminded to tape the plates

And how many points did you get on your license?
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let off with a very stern official warning. Much rage, so anger, many verbal
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also wondering what sort of riding leads to being suspected of not being a Learner.

Anything over 125, it'd be a question of "Where's your license then?"

A C90 or 125? In London? Half of them are Life Long Learners, right? So what form of riding would be cocky enough to be considered suspicious for a "learner", but would fall short of being fingered Tut Tut for the riding itself?

Story is about as convincing as one of BodyGuard's "close protection" yarns.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it was please tape makes our work easer
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuk u n ur reasonable response. We demand drama! Razz
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
For me it was please tape makes our work easer


Exactly this.

I would suggest the advice is to tape it up because; if the rozzers saw a L plate on a bike:

1. On the motorway they'd have to pull them over because (a) the rider is unlicensed to ride on the motorway or, (b) the bike could be below the 50 (or 49 whatever) cc the limit to use the motorway

2. Without somebody following who could appear to be an instructor, on a bike over 125 cc, the rider could then be unlicensed to ride that category of bike and should be pulled.

The two above reasons make it so that the rozzer would do less work and hence, less hassle for the rider.

Edit to add:

Insert combinations of these when carrying pillions etc.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It is an undeniable fact that ALL Police Officers pull over a L-Plater on the motorway, tape or no tape. To see if a full licencee or a learner taking the mick."

A. Lincoln. 1862
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I then observified that the particular individual had entaped over their L plates, thereby achieving complete removitude of any reasonful suspection that they might not be riding fullmost accordingly with their license."

C. Dimbleby, 1984
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