If Oxford chains are the poor baby, which is the daddy?

[Kaya75]

Questions in the title to be fair..

Which chain and lock is the hardest, which chain is the one that make scumbag thieves look for something easier?


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[someotherguy]

https://i.imgur.com/Bs17yJ2.jpg

[-Matt-]

Almax and Pragmasis tend to be regarded as better ones.

Can still both easily be cut with the right tools in a couple of minutes though.

[NJD]

A thief isn't going to look at a bike that they want to steal and have a frank Spencer moment of "oh Betty, I don't know what to do" while their knee's quiver, they're clearly going to come prepared to destroy any attempts you've made to secure your bike. ie; bolt croppers for the chain etc. So in regards to the latter part of your question, nothing IMO, if a thief wants it they're going to do all they can to take it.

In regards to chains Almax/Pragmasis will give you a better chance of keeping your bike as opposed to Oxford or any of the shelf re-branded small chain link sized chain.

Pragmasis don't even recommend that you use their 11mm chains for motorbikes, if you compare that to the 9.5mm chain links that oxford sells with their "heavy duty" chain you should be asking yourself serious questions about how secure your motorbike is secured with a chain that has links smaller than what's recommended for a bicycle.

13mm or 16mm as a carry chain and 19mm for home is the general recommendation.

[Kaya75]

[Kaya75]

Thanks NJ, I'll take a look at those 19mm i knows if they want they'll have it school of thought, I just want to narrow down the " they" as it where...
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[NJD]

[Ste]

eBay ads at the bottom of the page have a specific tool for breaking Oxford chains.

[-Matt-]

If budget/weight is an issue - i'd consider if the 19mm (Series IV Almax) are going to be that much more use than the 16mm (Series III Almax).

If I remember correctly, when I contacted them a few years back the main difference between the two was the 19mm chains were supposed to survive ''upto 4 minutes'' against power tools etc and the 16mm chains survived ''around 2 minutes''.

Realistically if someones bothered to take power tools along to deal with the chain in the first place an extra minute or two is unlikely to make much difference in stopping the bike getting taken, and you're going to be paying quite a lot more, for an even heavier chain. My 1.5m 16mm is hard enough to transport as it, I wouldn't like to attempt it with a 19mm really.

[Ste]

19mm vs 16mm, the more chance there is of a bike thief not paying close attention to your bike and going to find something easier to steal? The fact they can both be cut with the same tools is besides the point if the 19mm looks badass enough to scare thieves away.

[Pete.]

Like for like a 19mm chain will take more than 40% extra shear force to cut than a 16. They are much stronger for the extra 3mm.
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[Skudd]

My Abus lock and chain has survived a few bike thefts, the bikes didn't, but the chain did. The bikes were write offs due to the theft attempts but the chain is still going strong 20 odd years later.
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[Val]

It depends on the bike. If it is expensive no chain can protect it. You need layred protection. Chain for the opportunistic scumbacks. Alarm and better closed space.

19mm chain will take few seconds with proper equipment:

https://vimeo.com/59633136
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[Kaya75]

Thanks all , my ground anchor is the tow loop of a two ton van, parked behind two locked galvinised farm gates, it's in a compound at work, bikes a bandit..

So all considered. A quality 19mm chain will do nicely, the chain I'll keep longer then the bike, so want To invest for the future as it where too.

Thx all, I'll update with purchase in a couple of months... Once piggy bank as recovered from Christmas!
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[Albigularis]

[Ste]

[Londoner2015]

[stevo as b4]

I'm quite liking the look and quietness of those pro electric or cordless chain breakers. They look like nice bits of kit.

I just assumed pro's used small gas torches and cordless power tools, though for a quick but noisy in/out job a Sthil 2smoke with a nice quality wheel would probably be the fastest thing you could use, especially if using a van to take the bike?

[Kaya75]

My biggest concern is they take the van and drag the bike though..
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[Kaya75]

[gorillaonabik...]

When I had a drive, I used a gorilla lock. Cemented a foot into my driveway, it was impossible to cut with traditional bolt cutters as it is designed in a weird way.

It's possible to bust through it, it's just that that croppers are the wrong tool and those are the devices thieves typically carry. I miss my driveway and gorilla lock...

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