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PostPosted: 14:52 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Kawasaki ninja? 300 Reply with quote

I've just had a ninja 300 demonstrator out for a ride.
What can I say? It's small, if you are over 6' you're going to struggle if you travel long distances.
The seat is hard and will make your bum hurt.

On the plus side, it was easy to ride and slick as a slick thing.
The clutch is light and the gears were easy to engage.
It felt like a grown up 125, and I mean that as a compliment.
The brakes were more than able to pull the bike up, even with a fat bloke like me on it.
I was able to accelerate from low revs, even in sixth gear.
Not a bad little engine.
The fairing? Is not going to give you much protection from the weather or rain, but it does stop the filth from the road coming up to cover you.

Just my brief Penny Coin Penny Coin
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shite. ZZR250 in a posh frock.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put a that motor into a frame like an Aprilia RS125's, and tune it back to non emissions friendly spec, and I would start listening.

The 1984 GPZ250R was light and stylish and simple, not to mention it had 43bhp at 13000rpm. The 300 Ninja with EFI should be more.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Shite. ZZR250 in a posh frock.


Care to expand upon that helpful comment? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Put a that motor into a frame like an Aprilia RS125's, and tune it back to non emissions friendly spec, and I would start listening.

The 1984 GPZ250R was light and stylish and simple, not to mention it had 43bhp at 13000rpm. The 300 Ninja with EFI should be more.

I only have it as a curtesy bike for the day, and hav'nt checked out it's POWER!, but from what I know about bikes (not a lot) it's not producing 43bhp.
That said, it was fairly nippy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would buy one for commuting in a flash if I didn't live in pikeyville central.

Probably the best looking city commuter bike out there imo.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
GT200Fan79 wrote:
Shite. ZZR250 in a posh frock.


Care to expand upon that helpful comment? Rolling Eyes


Sure, if you insist on been a dickhead about it.

Engine is a watered down version of the unit first trolled out in the GPX250 in the late 80's, subsequently trolled out in the ZZR250. Neither of these bikes were very inspiring and anyone who didn't want to be thought of as a sad cunt bought an LC instead.

Take the same concept, increase the weight, detune the engine a bit then give it a faux ZX10 makeover. How is it going to be any good? Really?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its probably a well bashed bike, along with the 250R, however I did enjoy giving it 100% all the time. It was like a 125 but faster. It is however very cheaply made. Neutral
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

as above
why pay £4k+ for a ninja 300 at 30bhp when you can spend <£1000 for a zzr 250 and get 40+bhp
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy one you will soon get fed up of the whole thing shaking like a sh*ting dog as you thrash it to bits try to keep up with bigger bikes. Fun in a world of small bikes but could do with another 20bhp to make it practical in company...

Like trying to ride a push-bike too fast downhill - feels ok on a smooth surface in a straight line, but deviate from that and its scary...
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Ninja 300 otherwise I wouldn't have bought one. They're great. I can go on ride outs with bigger bikes and not get left behind, or ride with smaller bikes and not leave them behind. Also fuel economy for commuting.

Sure you can get 8bhp more (because why would you buy this if you're not on an A2 license) from older 2nd hand bikes for quarter the price but why do that if you're not on a budget. I'm by no means well off at all btw.

It's a good contender against what's on the current market for the A2 category vs R3/CBR300R/RC 390 and I think that point is often overlooked.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Fzs wrote:
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why pay £4k+ for a ninja 300 at 30bhp when you can spend <£1000 for a zzr 250 and get 40+bhp


Speaking for myself, I'd choose a Ninja 300 over the ZZR250 as a commuter because;

- The nearest ZZR 250 on sale is 250 miles away.
- Reliability
- Parts availability
- Euro 3 compliance, the ZZR250 is likely to incur a daily £12.50 charge to sit in London's traffic jams come 2017
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Use it. Hopefully it'll fuck your bike or burn the place down with you in it Thumbs Up

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Shite. ZZR250 in a posh frock.

GT200Fan79 wrote:
.....i like to fuck with wankers on L plates ....

GT200Fan79 wrote:
I hope OtP fucks his brakes up and dies.


So, GT Fan, are you naturally obnoxious or do you work on it?
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
could do with another 20bhp


Meef wrote:
because why would you buy this if you're not on an A2 license


Perfectly understand this bike - you've got to remember who it's aimed at. But sometimes I think it'd be nice if someone made a small capacity bike that wasn't aimed at learners and beginners; something that did have a bit of go to it. I guess there'll never be a 4T replacement for 2T fun Sad
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Perfectly understand this bike - you've got to remember who it's aimed at. But sometimes I think it'd be nice if someone made a small capacity bike that wasn't aimed at learners and beginners; something that did have a bit of go to it. I guess there'll never be a 4T replacement for 2T fun Sad


I do agree, that is one aspect that could make it more appealing, something less "learner friendly" and more aggressive and fun. But the problem is with license laws. Can you really get any of that in the shape of a 47bhp restricted bike?

Whether it's 39bhp like the Ninja or 47bhp like the R3, you can't get something with a powerband that kicks in at 7k rpm and lifts the front up in 2nd gear and has aggressive motogp-esque styling that lets you lie the bike flat and get knee/elbow/arse down.

If you want an exciting bike you just have to look at something with more horsepower and you can only do that on full A.. Even older bikes with a few more BHP are not going to be comparable to anything "fun" if that's what you're after.

Having said all of that I still find the Ninja fun Laughing I guess I'll only find it boring when I get more power in my hands. Also going back to what the other dude said about riding it as a commuter, it's really fun in London because you don't even have enough road before hitting all 9 million traffic lights to get to 60-100mph (unless motorway but who the fck enjoys straight line)
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
GT200Fan79 wrote:
Use it. Hopefully it'll fuck your bike or burn the place down with you in it Thumbs Up

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Shite. ZZR250 in a posh frock.

GT200Fan79 wrote:
.....i like to fuck with wankers on L plates ....

GT200Fan79 wrote:
I hope OtP fucks his brakes up and dies.


So, GT Fan, are you naturally obnoxious or do you work on it?


I'm obnoxious but I'm also usually right. Some people just can't handle the hurtful truth level I deal out. C'est la vie.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truth dealt via hammer - best way tbh.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before but I'll say it again.

I see no point in these commuter twins in plastic frocks. Old 400 grey IL4 400's are still commonly available (as are parts for them). They are a better bikes. Decent tidy ones will set you back considerably less than a shitja 300/Retard 3/etc
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
I've said it before but I'll say it again.

I see no point in these commuter twins in plastic frocks. Old 400 grey IL4 400's are still commonly available (as are parts for them). They are a better bikes. Decent tidy ones will set you back considerably less than a shitja 300/Retard 3/etc



Pretty much this.^^
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well after spending the day on the baby Ninja 300, I can say that as a sporty little commuter bike, it's a hit Thumbs Up .
I can directly compare it against my my Hyosung GT 250r.
It is not really that much faster than my Hyosung.
However it's not my bike, so I didn't cane it.
The riding position of the Kawasaki is more upright than the riding position of the Hyosung and so you get a bit more wind blast.
I found the ride to be a tab harsher on the Kawasaki, but never an issue.
The little Kawasaki did seem to be very economical on petrol.
The little Kawasaki feels lighter than the Hyosung.

Would I buy one?...... I don't think so....... not for me.
A great little bike, but at approx £4000, a tad to much for me.

Just a few of my thoughts Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

IL4 400 became too expensive for beginners. So Honda made 400 twin made in Thailand. It became cheaper but with poor quality. 250/300 twins are now made in Thailand or Indonesia cause if they are made here they'll be ridiculously expensive and make no sense.
Comparing these new oversea made small twins to used IL4 400 like CB400SF in quality/price is not a fair match imo. We can't buy used IL4 400s forever. I expect such small twins will be made with better quality soon.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:

However it's not my bike, so I didn't cane it.

Shocked Eh? I thought that was exactly why you should cane it... Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
pepperami wrote:

However it's not my bike, so I didn't cane it.

Shocked Eh? I thought that was exactly why you should cane it... Laughing


Some people are gentle. I know that I rag my bike to hell and back, I wouldn't care if someone did the same. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave_R wrote:
Paul Fzs wrote:
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why pay £4k+ for a ninja 300 at 30bhp when you can spend <£1000 for a zzr 250 and get 40+bhp


Speaking for myself, I'd choose a Ninja 300 over the ZZR250 as a commuter because;

- The nearest ZZR 250 on sale is 250 miles away.
- Reliability
- Parts availability
- Euro 3 compliance, the ZZR250 is likely to incur a daily £12.50 charge to sit in London's traffic jams come 2017


you can sit in london for 240 days with the £3k you save.
not to mention the fact the zzr is less attractive to thieves.

wemoto has tons of parts for the zzr 250

insurance for me is £15 more the year on the 300
zzr does 105 mph top speed and 55mpg
ninja 300 does 106 at 50mpg

zzr = carb less to go wrong
ninja 300 = fi and computers everywhere.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Fzs wrote:
you can sit in london for 240 days with the £3k you save.
not to mention the fact the zzr is less attractive to thieves.

wemoto has tons of parts for the zzr 250

insurance for me is £15 more the year on the 300
zzr does 105 mph top speed and 55mpg
ninja 300 does 106 at 50mpg

zzr = carb less to go wrong
ninja 300 = fi and computers everywhere.


So in less than a year, the ZZR works out to be more expensive than the 300? I thought you were making the point of saving money?

Besides, out of principle, you wouldn't pay TFL £12.50 a day for the privilege of breathing taxi exhaust and cyclist farts? Would you?

While there are many parts still available for the ZZR, there are also many other parts that aren't. Between paying a premium for new bike parts that have good availability, or trawling ebay and the breakers for parts for an older bike? It's a tough one, but I would seriously consider paying more to minimise the faff.

£15 - Laughing, peanuts compared to what the cartels are charging me Sad

Lets stay focused, we're taking about my choice of the 300 over the ZZR as a commuter. Top speed is irrelevant, the fastest I can possibly go is about 35mph and that's on a good day.

You're implying that a 20 year old bike is more reliable than a 2 year old bike? Lol wut?

I can't disagree about the problem with thieves, despite this, I'd still choose the 300 over the ZZR.
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