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| Rogerborg |
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 Posted: 07:18 - 18 Apr 2016 Post subject: Bike thief ferals are now running totally wild in Edinburgh |
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(Biking News? Politics and Current Affairs?)
We've had some previous reports of Edinburgh police having a no-pursuit / no-recording of bike thieves. But this, urgh.
A mob of neds try nicking a chap's bike from his garden, threaten to slit his throat if he doesn't give them the keys, the cops turn up, and...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/6219645/Sorry-pal-youre-on-your-own.html ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Nash GT |
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Meanwhile, if the catch you sneaking a cheeky wheelie on a main road all he'll break loose... Far too many kittens at risk  ____________________ Suzuki GSF600N |
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Borg, can you vacate Scotland whilst we bomb it to the ground, you can return, King of the Scots. We'll hand build you a castle.  |
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| Sload wrote: | Two cops againsts s mob of ferals who are not afraid to use weapons will end badly for the old bill |
I'm not actually blaming the coppers on site, although they are continuing the behaviour that has resulted in the problem.
The issue is: why are the ferals not afraid of Dibble?
It's because they've been taught not to be by year after year of softly-softly "conflict resolution", 9-5 cover (much of that chasing paperwork) and "intelligence led policing" rather than going in mob handed at the time to stop crimes that are actually in progress.
The police should be the biggest gang in town. The response to stoning a cop car should be swift and unequivocal, not a polite knock on the door three weeks later to ask if Wee Jimmy fancies incriminating himself.
The neds know that there are zero or minimal consequences. These are the sort who openly Facebook pictures of themselves arranging to steal bikes, or posing on stolen bikes, under their own name and face. Nae fear. You can taste the contempt, and it's getting easier to see why. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I've seen similar low life in Liverpool ride past police cars on scramblers more than once, no plates, no lid, just a balaclava or other garment covering their faces.
Police don't even bat an eyelid.
Yet every couple of months or so, the local press run an article about how po po are cracking down on this nuisance that plagues certain areas.  ____________________ There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
2012: R125 killed by white van. 2016 R125 killed by 30,000 miles of redline. Current: 2016 Kawasaki ER6f. |
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 Posted: 12:39 - 18 Apr 2016 Post subject: Re: Bike thief Ferals are now running totally wild in Edinbu |
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Yes, that's what "risk assessment" means.
No real blame on them, since the doubtless pissed up ferals would have been as likely to turn on them as to run, and I don't fancy those odds, batons and spray notwithstanding. Also, we're long past the time of recruiting big handy lads in the police - it seems to be mostly beanpoles, midgets and nippy sweeties now.
| jnw010 wrote: | Then again, can plod be trusted with that kind of authority [to use force]? |
There isn't any special law for the police regarding use of force (although there is for carrying around the means to apply it).
It's always down to the reasonableness of it, up to and including slotting Brazilian electricians. Under any circumstances where it's OK for a copper to use a given amount of force, it would in principle be just as fine for you or I to do it. Or viewed another way, if it wouldn't be reasonable for you or I to run down those ferals, then it's not reasonable for a copper to do it.
I stress "in principle", since the practice seems to have diverged somewhat. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Commuter_Tim wrote: | I know can of worms and everything, but I still argue we would be better off with American gun Laws.
If we have to take our chances with scum anyway (some of whom already have guns) I personally would feel safer if a few more sane people were carrying too. |
In 1996 (before the gun ban in the UK) our population was 58.2 million and we had 13,876 offences involving guns, including:
49 Homicides
4300 Robberies + Burglaries
in 2010 our population was 62.4 million and we had 11,200 offences involving guns, including:
60 Homicides
3100 Robberies + Burglaries
Americas population in 2010 was 309 million and they had 30,000 gun related deaths.
If we were the same size as America, our equivalent would be 297 homicides in the UK in 2010 compared to 30,000 in America.
What does this tell you. That we are not America (as much as we try) and since 1996 and the ban on guns, it's not made a huge difference in number terms.
Our population has grown 7%. Homicides are up 22%. Robberies and burglaries are down 20%
Perhaps the average man in the street is slightly safer from being robbed at gunpoint, but if you're a banger yo, then life is probably shorter than it was in 1996.
I admire American values, possibly because I don't live there and have not experienced my son/daughter being cut to ribbons by an Assault rifle by some prick who was laughed at by the cool kids.
30,000 deaths a year and all in the name of freedom and the right to bear arms. I admire that level of stubbornness.
That said, how many powerful lobbyists are involved in keeping the idea that it was ok to amend the constitution then, but not now.
It's harder to get guns in the UK. Not hard, just harder. We didn't used to shoot each much when we had them. If ISIS are going to be shooting the place up, it would be nice to return fire quickly and cut out the middle man of the court system.
Would I feel safer having a gun, knowing that my drunk neighbour and his drunk neighbour who've both been on Jeremy Kyle, also have guns. Would that be a good thing.
Freedom and liberty have a cost, is it worth paying? I don't know. |
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| Pigeon wrote: | What does this tell you. That we are not America (as much as we try)...
Freedom and liberty have a cost, is it worth paying? I don't know. |
I did take in your entire post, just didn't want to quote such a large one. (ooer missus)
I typically have disdain for our attempts to be Americanised, and agree we are not the same as 'Murica, but on the topic of guns...
I say we won't know until we try.
| dydey90 wrote: | Scenario:
You're sat at the lights, aforementioned scum politely request that you dismount and let them have a go on your bike. You know you can ride off and the chances are they won't be able to stop you.
Now imagine they have a gun to your helmet. How much stopping power does half an inch of plastic have? |
Agreed, in your scenario most would not fair well.
However my intended point was that overall, Scum vs Humans we just might fair better than the current scenario.
It's the same arguements they have in 'Murica that because under extremely rare scenarios innocents die, all guns should be banned.
Imagine your scenario, but only now a well trained composed civilian spots the bike thief with a gun to my head, and whilst im shitting myself, the Civilian draws?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zCcIdvYSsHU#t=35 - granted hes PoPo, but that changes nothing in the proposed scenario
Suddenly my odds go up. ____________________ The above post is most likely nonsensical.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 258 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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