Dead battery, not so dead alarm.

[Troglet]

So I left the keys in my Daelim Daystar 125 and drained the battery, no big deal, I have a charger and have done this before.

However It wasn't completely dead as this time, unlike before, once I removed the battery the alarm started going off and couldn't be stopped, the key fob just stopped it for 30 seconds and it started right back up again.

Reconnecting the battery did nothing as, I'd imagine, it didn't have enough power to do anything.

Long story short after an hour the alarm tone changed from a series of chirps to a different, slower series of chirps to finally a single chirp per second, we put it inside and let the alarm drain its backup battery overnight while the battery trickle charged.

Come this morning, go to hook it all back up again and soon as the battery gets connected, alarm goes off continuously and without being able to turn it off again with the key fob at all, had to remove battery and let it drain itself again, thankfully it didn't take long.

Now before I removed the battery again this morning I tried to start the bike up however no electrical response what so ever came from the bike other than the alarm starting back up again, no lights no nothing.

All that changed when the key was turned was the tone of the alarm from the 1 per seconond chirp to a more alarm-y series of chirps. Not sure what this means.

Things of note:

Bike: Daelim Daystar 125 2011 reg "Black Plus" (note, no kickstarter on this bike)

Alarm: DataTool S4 or S4C, I believe it's the "red" model, I wasn't the owner of the bike when it was installed.




I'm really very poor and very unable to pay the £100 minimum it'd cost to get this thing dragged to a garage and fixed, even assuming nothing needs replacing.
How can I reset the alarm, or indeed remove it entirely, without killing the bike?

Is the bike already dead?


Edit~ also of note, my general skill/knowledge level is for bikes is pretty low however I do know a lot about computers so if someone out there has a dead PC and wants to trade knowledge/time I can probably work out what's wrong with your PC.
For whatever that's worth.

[Nash GT]

The alarm has a built in backup battery, designed to keep the alarm going should the perps attempt to override it by disconnecting the main battery.

Here is the manual for your alarm, hope it helps


https://www.datatool.co.uk/PDF/S4C1-User-Guide.pdf
____________________
Suzuki GSF600N

[Troglet]

[arry]

[Troglet]

[arry]

Afraid it wouldn't be that simple. On the Triumph it was factory fit so it had a factory fit harness on it, which plugged into the loom. Once it was removed, I needed a bridging plug to re-make the connections for the starter as the loom was now 'open ended'.

As it turned out, that bridging plug only connected two pins, so in essence the alarm was as effective as a thief knowing which pins to bridge - would have taken them all of a couple of minutes to work out, at best.

If you cut the alarm out, you'll need to rejoin the wires as they were originally connected; otherwise you'll have no power to the starter.

[Troglet]

[monkeybiker]

I couldn't be arsed to research how to remove the alarm so paid a garage £50 to remove it. Worth every penny, should have done it years ago.

Only reason to have an alarm is if you have to park outside.

[Snowdonia Rider]

Ah one of the many reasons I would never ever have an alarm and/or an immobiliser on a bike You never hear anything but trouble with them.
____________________
I want your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.
Suzuki GP125 Suzuki GSX600F Suzuki SV650S KTM EXC250F SkyTeam Bongo 125
My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/SnowdoniaRider

[Troglet]

[Troglet]

Tried twice more, first time it just set off the alarm and the key fob did nothing but flash a red light when I press the button, did the whole remove battery let it die thing again, then maybe 30minutes later tried again, this time no electrical response what so ever, not even alarm.

is it dead?

I really need help here guys this is my only form of transport and without transport my job opportunities are very limited, I was banking on getting some work before this thing died on me.

basically all of the improving my employment prospects I've done in the last year are useless if this thing dies on me.

[monkeybiker]

[arry]

Get it all apart. You'll probably find it needs all of 3 wires redoing to remove it.

[Troglet]

[arry]

Just get it all apart so that we can see the wiring. If a monkey has fitted it it'll be as obvious as hell which wires you'll have to reconnect.

Couple of hours max with very basic tools mate. Give it a go yourself. Nothing to lose.

[arry]

Have you read the manual yet? I've just scanned it and there's a number of possibilities including it being in sleep mode which needs a different sequence of button presses to reactivate it properly with the remote.

[Troglet]

[monkeybiker]

Just a guess but you say the battery went flat and the alarm has a back up battery that went flat. Would the back up battery need to be replaced for the alarm to work correctly?

[Troglet]

[Troglet]

WOO. I got lucky, random punter in the pub happened to be bike nut, fixed it in 15minutes, bought him a pint, problem solved.

He reset the alarm and also fixed a wiring issue with it.

Thank you all for the help.

[Dave70]

Made up for you mate.
____________________
There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.

2012: R125 killed by white van. 2016 R125 killed by 30,000 miles of redline. Current: 2016 Kawasaki ER6f.