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Peperami
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Removing front wheel from ZZR600 (Safely) Reply with quote

Hi folks,

My ZZR600 will (sooner or later) need the front wheel removing for repair or maintenance. Can anyone reccomend any of the sub £100 gadgets on ebay designed for aiding wheel removal and do they actualy work?

While I fully understand how to remove the wheel bolts and calipers etc I am not clear on how to raise the front wheel high enough in order to get it clear of the ground for removal or the bike nose-diving into the ground after the wheel is taken out.

Someone told me to "just put blocks of wood under the exhaust pipes on the underside of the engine and use an old car-jack" but this seems to me to be an easy way to damage the exhaust system.

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Can anyone point me in the direcetion of any kit on ebay that might help to safely support the bike and assist in removal of the front wheel please.

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PostPosted: 14:57 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something like this is ideal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-HEADSTOCK-Head-Lift-Paddock-Motorbike-bike-STAND-Track-/231611772539?hash=item35ed232e7b:m:mLdzWqSQ7dObYekEjFXgFCg
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a center stand?

If so you don't need anything, if you don't by and abba stand

As people have told you blocks under the engine/exhaust is fine it won't damage anything, unless you are thick.

I have also in the past raised the front by loading the top box up with heavy shit.

The stand cansa as links will be shit IMO, it will get in the way and be flimsy.

Get a mate to push on the back of the bike and wedge a lump of wood under then exhaust. Trust me the exhaust is very strong and you won't damage anything. This way the support is out of the way and you don't need to work round it.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
The stand cansa as links will be shit IMO, it will get in the way and be flimsy.


I've used them several times in the past on a zxr400 and didn't find it shit, flimsy or did it get in the way.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centre stand, block of wood and carjack works fine.

Just do it on nice level ground to avoid this
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one remarkably like the one CaNsA suggested. The only problems I've come across is 1) you need to use it with a centre stand or rear paddock stand 2) You may need to remove the top fairing to get sufficient access and 3) a divvy is so tall that I had to put suitable lengths of wood under the wheels to rise the stand sufficuently.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How cheap do you want to do it?

Super cheap? Put a milk crate/sand bags under the engine.

Slightly more expensive? Rope around the headstock and hang it fron rafters. If you have no rafters you can hang it from two windows at 90 degrees to each other. Somebody on BCF did this.

More money? Turn the foot pegs upside down then put car jacks under them and heavy stuff on the pillion seat.

You can also tie something to the pillion rail right up against a wall therefore preventing the front from rotating downwards then putting some bricks under the front forks.

The problem with front stands is if you ever need to remove the forks.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:


Funny you should post that. As I've seen people change clutches (on a Fazer) by putting the bike on the side.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
wr6133 wrote:


Funny you should post that. As I've seen people change clutches (on a Fazer) by putting the bike on the side.


On an exup, you don't even need to do that. Only a dribble comes out when it's on it's side stand.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dismantled most of the front end to do fork seals on mine, just used a car jack rested the side stand on spare piece of wood.

Just be careful because the axle bolt will be very tight and if the bike is balanced in this manner, then it will fall on any oaf stupid enough to not watch the bloody thing while attempting to undo said bolt. Then you'd be finding out if you could bench press nearly 200kg of Kawasaki, like aforementioned oaf.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a number of 1/2'' extensions and a 14mm socket placed under the headstock to support the bike whenever I have to remove the front wheel on my ZZR. I'd post pics but I'm not at home ATM.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A jack might be all you need. Preferably a hydraulic trolley jack.

Put the bike on the sidestand, use the jack to lift the exhaust headers, as close to the front of the bike as you can get. It will probably help to remove the lower fairing.

The bike should then balance on the three points of the rear wheel, side stand, and jack point, and the front wheel will be loose off the ground. It helps to loosen the wheel nut, caliper bolts and fork pinch bolts before you raise the wheel

But it's an easy method. I've used it with various bikes to remove wheels for tyre changes.

Top Tip: Don't raise the jack too far, and make sure the bike isn't disturbed whilst it's jacked up.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a similar stand to this, for my FZ1:-

https://cdnll.discountramps.com/images/xl/front-motorcycle-stand__5.jpg

Never had any problems with it, although As I have no center stand I use it in conjunction with a paddock stand at the back!
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suspend mine from the rafters in the garage with a fibre sling and a pull lift, but pretty sure someone on here did the same with a tall step ladder.

You could probably make a tripod out of about £10's worth of pine from the builders merchants and suspend your bike from that?
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used 2 wheelie bins either side of bike..wood between bins crossing handlebars rope from bars to wood worked a treat
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just used to put my zzr on its centre stand and hang a couple of 5 ltr cans of water off the grab handle on a bit of rope.
Hanging it from rafters etc works well if you have 2 ratchet straps too.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I have one remarkably like the one CaNsA suggested. The only problems I've come across is 1) you need to use it with a centre stand or rear paddock stand 2) You may need to remove the top fairing to get sufficient access and 3) a divvy is so tall that I had to put suitable lengths of wood under the wheels to rise the stand sufficuently.


THIS!!!

I once took the front wheel off the ZX7R, just using a paddock stand on the front wheel. Well, lucky me the bike just rested on some very soft junk, that was in my garage at the moment. No damage, phew. Razz
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never once had a problem with using a trolley jack to prop the bike up:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/GPz750/balanced2.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/VFR_zpsc12mwnct.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/forksremoved_zps635ade0e.jpg

To be honest I'm less inclined to trust paddock stands etc (although the abba stand does look a little more secure)
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
I've never once had a problem with using a trolley jack to prop the bike up


Exactly the method I described earlier. As it happens, I needed do to it today with the SP-2 so that I could take the wheel to have a tyre fitted:

https://s33.postimg.org/wsq4hs1db/SP2_Tyre.jpg

The axle stand at the front was there as insurance just in case the jack lost pressure whilst I was out. It's not supporting the bike at all.

Simple, quick and stable. No messing about trying to invent Heath Robinson solutions. And no front paddock stand or headstock stand in the way of taking the wheel out. It has the added bonus of being able to raise or lower the forks to align exactly with the wheel, so no messing about trying to hold the wheel up and feed the axle in from the side.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:58 - 05 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're leaving the bike supported for any length of time I wouldn't rely on a hydraulic jack of any description, regardless of the jacks weight rating unless it has some kind of mechanical lock.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 05 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack and a bit of wood/towel under the exhaust will be fine.
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another zzr on its side. clutch case gasket pissed about a litre of oil out in 30 mins. Emergency halfords insta gasket and im good to go.

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PostPosted: 06:26 - 06 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
If you're leaving the bike supported for any length of time I wouldn't rely on a hydraulic jack of any description, regardless of the jacks weight rating unless it has some kind of mechanical lock.

Why? When I was rebuilding the GPz it spent weeks on the jack in all sorts of weather Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 06 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory they can hold something up indefinitely. However, their common failure modes are evident when supporting weight for long periods but have far less effect during the process of lifting.

Just saying, better to be safe that sorry. How long does it take to drop something onto a stack of bricks?
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 06 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sensable secure way or doing it

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abba-Pro-Stand-Motorcycle-Bike-Pit-Paddock-Garage-Workshop-Stand-Lift-/371573074457?hash=item56837b2a19:g:LMgAAOSwP~tW48UU

Also several used on ebay
make sure you sort adapters fro you bike
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