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CaNsA
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: What the hell has happened to the DD? Reply with quote

I'm lid shopping, and many of the lids I like all have one annoying "feature".

https://i.imgur.com/T0gTgTP.png


Why are all the manufacturers opting for this type of fastener instead of the much loved double-d?
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the quick release style, you get the exact same fit everytime, no messing with too tight or too loose.

I've got helmets with both styles though and I don't mind either.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pffft I have the same issue in reverse...
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't miss the raggedy ends on the straps and they are less prone to getting beard hairs trapped in them.

Pretty sure Arai and Shoei still use DD.

EDIT: I stopped worrying too much about helmet design and fastening systems some time ago. I want them light, non-intrusive, quick to put on and comfortable. I don't believe they make a great deal of difference in a crash anyway so I want them to be comfy and easy to see out of above all else.

Those ratchet things are convenient and easy to take off with cold fingers. I've been stuck in my helmet before today with a DD ring setup and cold fingers.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shark Speed R has DD as does HJC RPHA.
Have one of each.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I much prefer the ratchet style, 2 clicks and I know my strap is done to where I like it and I can do it with gloves on rather than trying to fuck about with DD rings and poppers.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new shoei has double D ring, wouldn't want anything else.

Racing still requires DD; other types just aren't as safe
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: What the hell has happened to the DD? Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
I'm lid shopping, and many of the lids I like all have one annoying "feature".

https://i.imgur.com/T0gTgTP.png


Why are all the manufacturers opting for this type of fastener instead of the much loved double-d?


The one you show looks more like a ratchet arrangement, big cable tie rather than the seat belt type catch. I've never seen one like that before.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cork was good enough for helmets in Nineteen Dickety Six, I don't see why we needed to change anything.

Double-Ds have sagged in my estimation. Seatbelt-style is inflexibly clunky-and-clicky.

I wouldn't shove my head into anything other than Micro-Metric ratchet now.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ratchet type straps have all the advantages of the D, with all the advantages of the seatbelt type. I like them.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ACU still demands DD in most forms of sport.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My so last season Schuberth S2 has one of those ratchets, the newest version has gone back to the DD's. Apparently some track days don't like the ratchets and insist on the D rings. Meh.
I got used to D rings on my old Arai and the ratchet did seem overly fussy at first, but I now find the ratchet quicker and less fuss than D rings.

I wouldn't worry about it, you'll get used to it soon enough.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally, i preferred the clip type which i had on my old Agv. my new agv came with the DD type which took some getting used to.

quicker to put your lid on with gloves on Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really hate the DD on my Shoei, much prefer the ratchet on my old Shark.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: What the hell has happened to the DD? Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


https://i.imgur.com/T0gTgTP.png

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The one you show looks more like a ratchet arrangement, big cable tie rather than the seat belt type catch. I've never seen one like that before.


Think both my Shark and my HJC helmets had those (the shark definitely does, used it this morning.

The only downside to these compared to the double D ring is over time if the mechanism moves in position then it may not be as tight as it should be whereas the double D, in theory, gets tightened to the same position each time.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: What the hell has happened to the DD? Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


The one you show looks more like a ratchet arrangement, big cable tie rather than the seat belt type catch. I've never seen one like that before.

It's not a new thing though, I have a Shark S900 must be five years old with one the same - no problems once you get used to it.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like using the D's to lock my lid to my bike.

Plus it feels safe, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to just work its way loose in the even of a spill.
The ratchet/clip type seem like they could come off if caught on a piece of the bike.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The ratchet type straps have all the advantages of the D, with all the advantages of the seatbelt type. I like them.

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PostPosted: 12:25 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
The ratchet/clip type seem like they could come off if caught on a piece of the bike.

Paint diagram required.

When I first got my hands on my micro helmet, I gave it a thorough tugging without achieving release.

At some point the amount of force required to tug it off would result in snappyneck anyway.

I can't see anything on the ACU site saying why they're racist against ratchets.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I gave it a thorough tugging without achieving release.


hehehehe
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpe2002 wrote:
quicker to put your lid on with gloves on Thumbs Up


Why would you put your gloves on before your lid?

WHY MAN? WHHHYYY?????
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: re Reply with quote

had a crappy BOX with the ratchet type, changed to agv with DD - took some time getting used to but prefer it for fit and in my mind feels safer as the ratchet could possibly snap with force? althought that force may probably also snap your neck
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always been a DD man myself.
Used to get quite a few ratchet types returned where the springs had weakened, allowing the the strap to just fall out of the locking mechanism when I worked returns. Maybe just the cheaper helmets, but the systems all looked pretty much of a muchness to me, whatever helmet. Still, plenty of folks seem to get along ok with them.

As said previously, HJC RPHA10 is quite a good lid, and uses DD, assuming it fits you ok. Top vent has just broken on one of mine though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a ratchet type on my last lid, you get used to them and they're pretty good. Currently have a double D ring which is my preference, but not by much.

The seatbelt single click type are crap. The Mrs had one and it slowly slackens over time (ooer)
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
sharpe2002 wrote:
quicker to put your lid on with gloves on Thumbs Up


Why would you put your gloves on before your lid?

WHY MAN? WHHHYYY?????


good point Laughing i remember an instance of being asked to remove my lid at a petrol station having been soaked by the glorious British weather. Gloves were soaked through so didn't want to take them off(they're impossibru to get on again) when the attendant told me to remove my helmet.

Would also help in winter when leaving the house.. hands will be warm when removing the chain/lock but lid stays off as it gets knocked into garage doors that havent been put up all the way Laughing
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