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solemnwarning
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Just broke a chain... me, the tool or the rivet? Reply with quote

Hi

I just tried fitting a new DID VX 520 chain with a hollow rivet master link, using one of these tools.

There weren't any instructions included, but it seemed simple enough that I just guessed at it: I used the plate with two holes in it to press the side plate on to the proper thickness, then put the convex anvil in one side of the tool to brace the rivet and started winding the ball-bearing-faced tool into the hollow end of the rivet.

The rivets initially measured 5.18mm diameter, the ones pressed at the factory were 5.5mm, by 5.3mm the hollow rivet had seemingly gone a bit sideways - the mushroomed section shearing away from the tube around most of its diameter. I was able to remove this rivet by putting one of the extractor pins down the middle; it sheared off what was left easily. The end of the rivet that came out had clearly broken off sideways, only around part of its diameter.

I had another go with the other side of the link once it was out, the tool was able to expand it to 5.5mm with no drama (no side plate etc fitted).

Did I screw this up, is the tool iffy or did I get a defective rivet?

Got no way to get to work now, very tempted to try and get a split link when I call around in the morning.

Thanks

EDIT: One more thing... do I specifically need another DID VX 520 master link, or should any O/X ring 520 pitch link be fine?
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Commuter_Tim
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say if it was you, the tool, or both.
However I bought a cheap shit one similar to yours, and the tool bent on the first try, fucking up the rivet in the process.

Then I bought this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-Chain-Breaker-Riveter-Kit/dp/B00GG02YQQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488748930&sr=8-3&keywords=gator+rivet

My rivets measure like the rest of the links now, £50 isn't bad either.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What`s wrong with split links nowadays, i was using them in the 70`s doing over 100mph no problems.
They do sell them.
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Commuter_Tim
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
What`s wrong with split links nowadays, i was using them in the 70`s doing over 100mph no problems.
They do sell them.


Point of interest, on which bike?
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
What`s wrong with split links nowadays, i was using them in the 70`s doing over 100mph no problems.
They do sell them.


You were also wearing flares and Cork helmets, neither a good idea.
Bike have more than doubled in power since the 70's with massive increases in driveline stresses.
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jaffa90
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

""""Bike have more than doubled in power since the 70's with massive increases in driveline stresses.""""
I don`t think so,
My first tonner was a Norton Commando 750 roadster, a few of us had these crap bikes which dropped to bits with VIBRATION and you talk about stress.
Doubled in power?????????????
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PostPosted: 03:18 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A decent sporty 750 from the 90's has double the power of a commando 750, a current sporty 750 gets on to triple. Make of that what you will.
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PostPosted: 06:03 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
A decent sporty 750 from the 90's has double the power of a commando 750, a current sporty 750 gets on to triple. Make of that what you will.


Jaffa thinks all bikes should idle at 1k rpm otherwise they are set up incorrectly.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Jaffa thinks all bikes should idle at 1k rpm otherwise they are set up incorrectly.


Also, my burgman scooter is about the same power as a commando 750.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Hard to say if it was you, the tool, or both.
However I bought a cheap shit one similar to yours, and the tool bent on the first try, fucking up the rivet in the process.

Then I bought this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-Chain-Breaker-Riveter-Kit/dp/B00GG02YQQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488748930&sr=8-3&keywords=gator+rivet

My rivets measure like the rest of the links now, £50 isn't bad either.


I bought that exact kit (from Amazon) and had to return it as it was so badly machined that the parts didn't fit together! I'm sure a properly made one would have been fine, I could have filed it down, but didn't think I should have to do that on a premium priced tool so sent it back and bought an Afam instead. https://www.amazon.co.uk//dp/B0119L91VW
It doesn't attempt to break links, but does a good job of joining them. It was recommended by a few people on here and other forums, rather than being a random purchase. The rivets measured perfectly with my caliper.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: Just broke a chain... me, the tool or the rivet? Reply with quote

solemnwarning wrote:
The rivets initially measured 5.18mm diameter, the ones pressed at the factory were 5.5mm, by 5.3mm


You are not trying to flare the hollow link to the same as the factory ones. DID chains tell you the specs for this on the box or in the instructions. 0.217” to 0.228” for a 520 most likely.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

""""Jaffa thinks all bikes should idle at 1k rpm otherwise they are set up incorrectly.""""
Very true, e.c. emissions made the mixture so weak / lean that they had to up the idle speed to try and compensate.
Also never had a car idle more than 1,000rpm,
Wifes car is 800rpm.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car, you fucking autistic tramp Laughing My car idles at 800 too, lovely little diesel. Since when was my Triple a car. Just to add some fuel for your ever burning retard flame, I hired a bike last week, Varadero 125, for science, I dropped idle to 1k, it sat there knocking and flickering the lights until I fed it some sympathy and put it back to 1300.

Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
""""Jaffa thinks all bikes should idle at 1k rpm otherwise they are set up incorrectly.""""
Very true, e.c. emissions made the mixture so weak / lean that they had to up the idle speed to try and compensate.
Also never had a car idle more than 1,000rpm,
Wifes car is 800rpm.


Completely forgetting the cranks being lightened for faster pickup, higher revs and more power on modern bikes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 06 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
""""Jaffa thinks all bikes should idle at 1k rpm otherwise they are set up incorrectly.""""
Very true, e.c. emissions made the mixture so weak / lean that they had to up the idle speed to try and compensate.
Also never had a car idle more than 1,000rpm,
Wifes car is 800rpm.


Completely forgetting the cranks being lightened for faster pickup, higher revs and more power on modern bikes. Thumbs Up

Plus the 'lightweight' fly wheel on my car weighs in at 12.1kg!
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