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gsxrboy
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Dodging speed cameras.... Reply with quote

I have the option to obtain a backflash quite cheaply, do any of you have any information to sway me either way?? I fully understand you can get in a bit of trouble for having one fitted but I think the pros far out weigh the cons.

For those of you who don't know what it is, it's a unit with two camera flash units that are focused on your reg plate, it has light sensors and when a camera flashes at you it triggers and flashes, overexposing the image!

Do you know anything I need to know??
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Ste
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Re: Dodging speed cameras.... Reply with quote

gsxrboy wrote:
Do you know anything I need to know??

You do know you don't need to worry about Gatso's as you have some tape over part of your plate? Razz Razz

Seriously though, will it start flashing people who have bright headlights or any other sources of bright light? And surely when it detects the Gatso making bright light (ie the flash) it is also taking the photo so surely it's too late?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste, this is something that worries me, will it flash at bright headlights? I have to do tests but I am hopeful it will be quick enough.

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PostPosted: 23:19 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not have a GSXR?

I don't see how the plate flasher will work fully as the speed camera will already have taken the pic, but I don't know really - Technically it should work as the picture you took the number plate was blanked out, but I didn't think speed cameras were meant to flash??
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Ste
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one real way to tell if it flashes at headlights behind you, and remember it could also flash when cars behind you go over bumps, as that appears in your mirrors like they're flashing you so if the gadget is set to flash if it detects a certain change in light levels then it could do. Also, does it flash in daylight and is it effective enough? I'd want to be slightly more than "hopeful" if I was going to trust that thing to protect my license when going throuh gatso cameras. Thinking Thinking

Best way to avoid them getting your plate is to make a device which spins your plate around so it can happily take a picture but it just of the back of the number plate. I had one before and I bought it second hand it was made from an old power valve motor, and hooked up to a switch and wired into the battery, I switch the switch and it spun the plate around, switch it again and it went back again, so you would switch it before you got to the gatso and switch it again after you've gone through the gatso.

Do I like the bike? Don't know, just seen the numberplate from it and it appears much like any other. Thumbs Up
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Sparks!
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


Best way to avoid them getting your plate is to make a device which spins your plate around so it can happily take a picture but it just of the back of the number plate.


Or slow down to the speed limit Thinking
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Ste
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Says the person with them doing a wheelie in their avatar. Razz Razz
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the unit will respond to a change in light levels, i think this would be hard to set up to work in daylight conditions where you are trying to detect a small change in a large amount. (Needle in haystack type analogy) Also the speed camera flash will be directionalised and the time the light sensor would be within the increased light levels would be relatively short (Due to you moving (presumably at high speed)). This would mean you would need fast electronics.
I am not sure I would trust my licence to such a device and think that leaving your number plate at home maybe a simpler and more reliable solution!
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gsxrboy
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure it will work at a quick enough speed but as you say it needs to be tested to be sure. My camera is quite a good one but maybe not as good as a gatso...

The bike in picture is a cb350-skip it will burn quite well i think... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try taking the picture outside on a sunny day, at the same angle and distance as the Gatso would be at.

I used to have a small slave camera flash that did this for taking pictures*; so it does it work for 'normal' pictures so shouldn't be a problem in that respect.

*Was quite cheap as well, may be worth considering.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Says the person with them doing a wheelie in their avatar. Razz Razz


Ahh but that was on private MOD property and I was under 30mph anyway Laughing Razz
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 12 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you've never ever done such things on the public roads now have you. Razz

Good thing it was below 30 though as below 30 kids just bounce straight off if you hit them. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there. I've been to the traffic offices in Johannesburg and have seen them using a PC to clear up over exposure and even bounced flashes from reflective material on license plates. I'm sure the UK traffic police have similar measures. Sad
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Sparks!
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
And you've never ever done such things on the public roads now have you. Razz

Good thing it was below 30 though as below 30 kids just bounce straight off if you hit them. Thumbs Up


Me, be illegal, on the roads, with Myyyyyyy reputation?

Laughing

Don't know what your talking about officer Whistle
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, why not just slow down to the speed limit or just slow down whilst going through the camera?

I don't see the point of wasting money on something like this, also I very much doubt it works too, because the police can enhance the picture from the camera and still try and get your reg number from it.
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dainesefreak
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this on the web.

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Backflash

This new device caused a bit of a stir in the national press when it went on sale a few months ago, at an introductory price of £200 (rrp £299). The official line is that it's designed to protect the rich and famous from the paparazzi, but we doubt its makers will make a bundle selling them to a few shy celebs. The device works by firing a slave flash across the number plate when it senses any camera flash, thus over-exposing that part of the picture. So it should scupper the Gatso. (We knew it was working because it started firing as we drove away from the sun and when photographer Morgan tried a couple of shots with flash.) In our tests, conducted at various speeds up to 130mph, the Backslash was triggered by the Gatso flash but the police had no problem identifying the whole of the registration number from the film - even at 131mph. It may work better at night, they suggest, but over the last few years they have perfected more sophisticated techniques for identifying numbers on over-exposed film. Combine its ineffectiveness with dubious legality and it really isn't worth the bother. Evo Magazine.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't work.
The technique used is called 'negative imaging', basically the police unit flips the image to negative then adjusts the contrast/brightness. This means the plate is then visible and readable. Don't forget, this can also lead to being done for perverting the course of justice Wink
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
It won't work.
The technique used is called 'negative imaging', basically the police unit flips the image to negative then adjusts the contrast/brightness. This means the plate is then visible and readable. Don't forget, this can also lead to being done for perverting the course of justice Wink


Thats exactly what the did. Sneaky isn't it?
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
Hmmm, why not just slow down to the speed limit or just slow down whilst going through the camera?

I don't see the point of wasting money on something like this, also I very much doubt it works too, because the police can enhance the picture from the camera and still try and get your reg number from it.

Wasn't you the one who was travelling at over a ton to keep up with somebody on the Wales rideout and then a massive arguement persued afterwards on these forums? Thinking Razz
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
Wasn't you the one who was travelling at over a ton to keep up with somebody on the Wales rideout and then a massive arguement persued afterwards on these forums? Thinking Razz


Yeah but I slow down for speed camera's and don't use illegal things on my number plate to stop me getting caught. Razz
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

its usually when ur on a unknown road at night when ur most likely gonna get speed camera'd
when i came back from Gs i had to do some harsh breaking for the gatsos on the A4
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to speed past these cameras(seems crazy to me but, hey)the only way to go is get a flip up plate.Lets face it the police aint daft and know a flip up plate when they see one,which is reason enough to stop you.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesnt the camera take a picture on each flash? i thought they used the lines on the road and 2 pictures to work out if the limit was broken.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

livin_in_sinn wrote:
doesnt the camera take a picture on each flash? i thought they used the lines on the road and 2 pictures to work out if the limit was broken.


Different speed camera makes. Gatso use the flash and face the rear of the vehicle. Truvelo work on road sensors which are the lines your referring to. https://www.truvelouk.com/speedmeasurement.phtml
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 13 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any info on honeycomb reflective backing numberplates and the spray you spray over your plate?
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