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PostPosted: 21:03 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: speedo on crashed cbf 125 Reply with quote
HI everyone,

i recently came off my bike but it was only a 25mph slide into the back of a car that done an emergency brake for no reason,

my query is that since the crash my speedo has been pushed forward towards the handlebars and as i am new to bikes im capable
of fixing these errors but im unsure if its safe to either bend it back or would it be more benificial to just replace it?

if i was to replace it would i need to replace the bent bar under the speedo too?

i have added a pic, which is with the handlebars turned all the way to the left to show the damage.

TIA for any help and advice!
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
From the pics I see a snapped clutch lever and I reckon the handlebars are bent too.
Looks like the speedo is OK but it's the framework underneath which is the problem - looks bent and I'll bet snapped somewhere.
I've a feeling your frame will be bent too. Someone else will come and pass judgement soon..
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes im aware of all other issues like clutch lever, bent handlebars indicator at opposite site ect, those are all obvious things i have seen and i would be able to replace and fix on my own, its more about advice for the speedo, as i havent taken it apart yet to see the actual damage i was wondering if its common to replace all the speedo and bent bars underneath or would it be safe enough to bend it back to place without causing any issues?
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Take it apart to the extent that you can see what's happened. If in doubt post more pics.

My guess: support bracket bent.

Bend it back, give it a quick spray, put it back together.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
im hoping to get a chance to look at it tomorrow so will keep you upto date with pics if i run into any problems

thanks.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don’t need a speedo for MOT.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 26 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Really?

I just recently passed my cbt and new to bikes, the cbf is my first bike so far, so havent had to go through mot and such yet to know what they need or dont need, i am surprised that they dont require a speedo Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
swimmableflyer wrote:
Really?

I just recently passed my cbt and new to bikes, the cbf is my first bike so far, so havent had to go through mot and such yet to know what they need or dont need, i am surprised that they dont require a speedo Laughing


Do the instruments actually work?
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, my speedo still working properly, just been pushed forward from what i can see.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
swimmableflyer wrote:
Yes, my speedo still working properly, just been pushed forward from what i can see.


AFAIK the instruments are on a bracket. So.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
swimmableflyer wrote:
Yes, my speedo still working properly, just been pushed forward from what i can see.


AFAIK the instruments are on a bracket. So.


so....???
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: speedo on crashed cbf 125 Reply with quote
swimmableflyer wrote:
HI everyone,

i recently came off my bike because I grabbed a big handful of front brake because I was too close to the car in front.
TIA for any help and advice!


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PostPosted: 15:31 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Like a lot of speedos, they are held onto a skeleton frame with rubber type grommets holding the speedo cluster in place. The reason for that is to cushion the cluster from vibration.
I suspect the skeleton frame may be bent , but they are pretty easy to bend back into shape if slightly out of form.
Once the plastic fairing panels are removed, you should see the extent of damage.
If the forks are out of alignment with the handle bars, release the pinch bolts (4) securing the forks to the steering yokes, and reset.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: speedo on crashed cbf 125 Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
swimmableflyer wrote:
HI everyone,

i recently came off my bike because I grabbed a big handful of front brake because I was too close to the car in front.
TIA for any help and advice!


FIFY

Remember, only a cunt hits the car in front....


to be fair i didnt exactly hit the car in front! she slammed her brakes on a yellow box junction with no way around her, i noticed in time but due to the rain and box junction i came off the bike and slid under the back of her.

but thanks for the advice duely noted! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Grubscrew wrote:
Like a lot of speedos, they are held onto a skeleton frame with rubber type grommets holding the speedo cluster in place. The reason for that is to cushion the cluster from vibration.
I suspect the skeleton frame may be bent , but they are pretty easy to bend back into shape if slightly out of form.
Once the plastic fairing panels are removed, you should see the extent of damage.
If the forks are out of alignment with the handle bars, release the pinch bolts (4) securing the forks to the steering yokes, and reset.
If it rides like a 🦀 then it’s doomed.


thanks for the advice! i wasnt sure if i could bend them back to place, as i was told with other things like handlebars and such cant be bent back incase they end up snapping because of it. the forks seem to look ok as it was only the top of the bike that slid underneath the car. wasnt able to have a look today due to weather but i will update once i get a chance, thanks.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
for what it's worth I rode a CRF250L (the one in my photo) for 2 years with bent handlebars and a broken dashboard with no ill effects.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 27 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
thx1138 wrote:
for what it's worth I rode a CRF250L (the one in my photo) for 2 years with bent handlebars and a broken dashboard with no ill effects.


If it was drivable i would have, but i cant bend the steeri g cause its touching when i turn the handlebars.

Plus im looking at a new bike anyway as im going thru my test in feb some time, im going to be fixing it as my partner is going bk on it to practice once the baby is here.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 28 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
swimmableflyer wrote:
to be fair i didnt exactly hit the car in front! she slammed her brakes on a yellow box junction with no way around her, i noticed in time but due to the rain and box junction i came off the bike and slid under the back of her.


You know... that actually makes it worse! Go read the rules in the highway-code for yellow box junctions! You should not even 'enter' unless your exit is clear!

So lets have a think about this; you were following a car, into a yellow cross hatched intersection... that car slammed on their brakes... you followed in blithely, entering box before it was clear.... and did the same, panic snatched the brake... locked up... went down... and DIDN'T actually hit the car you braked for..... hmmm.

Motorbikes tend to stop a lot faster, on thier wheels than on thier side.... so this sort of implies that you had more than enough room to stop 'safely'.. had you not panic snatched the brake, to 'make' the bike go down.

There, is the main fault... and totally yours. Regardless of what any other motorist did or did not do or maybe should have done.... YOU weren't in control of your vehicle... you panic braked and locked up and caused your own crash....

Beneath that in the clusterfuck... you have the fact that you shouldn't have been there... you were not following the HWC rules, entering yellow box that wasn't clear... more... in traffic, in a junction, you were not observing 'enough' of the traffic conditions around you to see even 'why' you shouldn't have gone there.... any issue over following distance beyond that, IS some-what subjective and rather irrelevent.

Top two issues here, were that you were over riding the road conditions, 'hustling' I presume trying to make progress, ignoring the strict rules of the road, for the sake of saving time... and then got caught out.... and you didn't have the inate machine control, or presence of mind to avoid the fall-out, keeping the bike upright, modulating brake pressure so it didn't lock, and didn't go down.

Take the hit... this was your fault, on many counts... learn from the mistakes... DONT make them again!
And stop trying to shift the blame elsewhere, take it and learn from it.

As to the bike? Little point fixing it, if you are just going to bend it again, doing the same thing because some other driver, dont do what you think they should and 'makes' you fall off again....

But.... get the manual, start taking the panels off, and find the bent or broken bracket or mounting.... straighten or replace. Tryig to bend it back from where falling off has bent it, you will likely just break it or something else in the trying.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:
swimmableflyer wrote:
to be fair i didnt exactly hit the car in front! she slammed her brakes on a yellow box junction with no way around her, i noticed in time but due to the rain and box junction i came off the bike and slid under the back of her.


You know... that actually makes it worse! Go read the rules in the highway-code for yellow box junctions! You should not even 'enter' unless your exit is clear!

So lets have a think about this; you were following a car, into a yellow cross hatched intersection... that car slammed on their brakes... you followed in blithely, entering box before it was clear.... and did the same, panic snatched the brake... locked up... went down... and DIDN'T actually hit the car you braked for..... hmmm.

Motorbikes tend to stop a lot faster, on thier wheels than on thier side.... so this sort of implies that you had more than enough room to stop 'safely'.. had you not panic snatched the brake, to 'make' the bike go down.

There, is the main fault... and totally yours. Regardless of what any other motorist did or did not do or maybe should have done.... YOU weren't in control of your vehicle... you panic braked and locked up and caused your own crash....

Beneath that in the clusterfuck... you have the fact that you shouldn't have been there... you were not following the HWC rules, entering yellow box that wasn't clear... more... in traffic, in a junction, you were not observing 'enough' of the traffic conditions around you to see even 'why' you shouldn't have gone there.... any issue over following distance beyond that, IS some-what subjective and rather irrelevent.

Top two issues here, were that you were over riding the road conditions, 'hustling' I presume trying to make progress, ignoring the strict rules of the road, for the sake of saving time... and then got caught out.... and you didn't have the inate machine control, or presence of mind to avoid the fall-out, keeping the bike upright, modulating brake pressure so it didn't lock, and didn't go down.

Take the hit... this was your fault, on many counts... learn from the mistakes... DONT make them again!
And stop trying to shift the blame elsewhere, take it and learn from it.

As to the bike? Little point fixing it, if you are just going to bend it again, doing the same thing because some other driver, dont do what you think they should and 'makes' you fall off again....

But.... get the manual, start taking the panels off, and find the bent or broken bracket or mounting.... straighten or replace. Tryig to bend it back from where falling off has bent it, you will likely just break it or something else in the trying.


thanks for the very lenghty and unhelpfull advice! if i wanted to ask who was at fault i would have names the title of this post about that, as i didnt it was for advice as to wether its safe to bend the part in question back or not, as i was aware with cetain parts its more dangerous to bend things back, hence the reason for advice.

as for the yellow box junction i dont need to read any highway code as im a professional bus driver by trade therefor im more than aware of the highway code and rules of the road! also given that the exit was completely clear with no obstructions at all there was absolutley no reason for me not to follow into the yellow box behind the veichle in front. however, stopping by an emergency brake in the middle of a yellow box junction for no reason whatsoever is completely unnaceptable given that she has stopped with no intention to turn right as there is no right turn! on top of that im not denying that i am at fault by harshly braking due to only having 6 months experience and this being my very first encounter with an accident so i do accept that i could have possibly avoided this but its happened now and i am here to seek advice on wether it is fixable and if or not i need to replace or mend certain parts.

as for the advice as to not fixing the bike as i will do the same again? im guessing you are perfect and never came into an accident before? given the fact this has happened and im looking for advice on how to fix my issues and get back on and learn from my mistakes personally i feel with make me not only better at fixing the issue myself but it will make me more safe in the future?
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Didn't you see the kitten than ran into the road in front of her?
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Didn't you see the kitten than ran into the road in front of her?


as there was no kitten to see and with the excuse she used to say why she stopped makes me 100% certain that there was no kitten, but thanks for the input Wink
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Update... Reply with quote
To update i have managed to take it apart and have a look at the damage to the bracket, to me its completely bent out of shape to the point it needs replaced

I have added a pic which is straight on to show the damage to the bracket.

Also another pic that shows the damage to the undernesth of the speedo with the plastic where the bolt holds it has snapped causing it to be exposed for that reason would it need replaced?

The fairings have cracks in them but other than that the only other things ive seen is the wheel off balance. The forks look straight to me.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
swimmableflyer wrote:
the excuse she used to say why she stopped

Which was?

You fell off cos you braked unnecessarily hard.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
swimmableflyer wrote:
the excuse she used to say why she stopped

Which was?

You fell off cos you braked unnecessarily hard.


Im looking for advice on how to fix the issue not asking for a therapist to talk about what happened! So unless you came to help.......
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 29 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wub

The fairings need removing to see what's bent / broken.
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