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PostPosted: 13:00 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Fzs600 Fazer lost drive Reply with quote

I'm cruising on the M25 when without warning I lose drive, as if the bikes gone into neutral. Gearshift feels ok, engine seems fine but no drive in any gear, no funny noises or behaviour beforehand. My first thought is maybe the front sprocket's come loose, anyone got any other ideas?

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fazers had a recall on front sprocket nut and washer iirc
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
Fazers had a recall on front sprocket nut and washer iirc

Yeah that's what makes me think it's that.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
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Fazers had a recall on front sprocket nut and washer iirc

Yeah that's what makes me think it's that.


I would agree. The only other thing to affect all gears would be the clutch but obviously that would slip before giving up the ghost completely.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took the sprocket cover off...
[img]https://i.imgur.com/0EYjxFR.jpg[/img]

nut/washer fell out as I took the cover off

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5dVV4tJ.png[/img]
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the threads recoverable on the shaft?
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

That hasn't been apart for a while Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a glance the shaft thread looks okay. Last time the cover was off was a couple of years ago when the new chain/sprocket went on.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread on the FOC forum

https://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,92.0.html

Especially this bit...............

Remove the existing nut and washer.
Measure the drive shaft OD of the threaded part (micrometer or vernier caliper).
If >= 17.5 mm -
clean threads and fit a new washer & nut with threadlock.
If < 17.5 mm -
the drive shaft must be replaced. (This work could take between 1 day to 2 weeks depending on dealer workload).


Although if there is enough thread to torque it up properly I wouldn't replace as there is nothing really to lose.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard nut is 9mm thickness, I believe these were replaced with 13mm ones?

I'd wang a thicker nut on with plenty of loctite if the threads are okay.

Otherwise I'd drill the shaft VERY carefully and use a bolt/ washer to hold it on. I had to do this on my last fazer and it was a horrible job. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 03 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, in BCF tradition, you could weld it on Whistle Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 04 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Of course, in BCF tradition, you could weld it on Whistle Laughing
The thought has crossed my mind.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 04 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

May be a silly question, but is there enough threaded shaft length to drill and use a lock-wire? Or possibly drill through the nut and wire it through the holes in the sprocket?
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 05 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you can buy a split die and recut the thread on the shaft, and have an undersize nut made up on a lathe. The real problem would be if the splines are damaged.

Easier still sell it and get a reliable bike, before the liners crack Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 06 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second lower pic looks like something from Robert Robinson's 'Ask The Family' quiz (over 50s only reference) - got no idea what I'm looking at!
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 06 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
The second lower pic looks like something from Robert Robinson's 'Ask The Family' quiz (over 50s only reference) - got no idea what I'm looking at!


You're looking through the hole of a nut. The nut is stood up on its side on a flat. The light colours around are a shiny metal bench top.
It had me for ages too.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 06 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
A100man wrote:
The second lower pic looks like something from Robert Robinson's 'Ask The Family' quiz (over 50s only reference) - got no idea what I'm looking at!


You're looking through the hole of a nut. The nut is stood up on its side on a flat. The light colours around are a shiny metal bench top.
It had me for ages too.


Wow - bizarre I see it now Embarassed . Before it was what looked like a threaded core plug..
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
The second lower pic looks like something from Robert Robinson's 'Ask The Family' quiz (over 50s only reference) - got no idea what I'm looking at!


Lol... I remember that and I'm under 50 Smile

I keep looking and all I see is a nut... no wait, I'm looking in the mirror Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 09:52 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turned out the thread on the shaft is stripped, so it's new second hand bike time.
What's the best way to get rid of a bike like this? Breakers? I haven't the space to break it myself
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Turned out the thread on the shaft is stripped, so it's new second hand bike time.
What's the best way to get rid of a bike like this? Breakers? I haven't the space to break it myself


If you just want to shift it, £1 auction on eBay... hopefully gone in a week. When I failed to make a go of repairing my Fazer I'd wish I'd taken forum members' advice and stripped the nice things off (tank, wheels, etc.) and scrapped the rest but the wife wasn't too happy with idea of a stack of bike parts filling up the side alley.

<addendum> n00b observation: eeek! I've looked at that sprocket again... some slight shark toothing there Laughing Just to be clear, if you just wanted a few more months out of the thing, why wouldn't you weld on a sprocket? Beyond adding to the running joke Smile
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, are we talking about TIG, MIG or just an electrode? Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Turned out the thread on the shaft is stripped, so it's new second hand bike time.
What's the best way to get rid of a bike like this? Breakers? I haven't the space to break it myself



As said above, provided the spines are good, it can be easily and cheaply fixed, either the way as suggested, or welding a nut to the shaft **not welding sprocket to the shaft** as the weld will not cope well with shock loading - it is just to retain sprocket on the splines.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:


Easier still sell it and get a reliable bike, before the liners crack Laughing


Not heard of this on the Fazers. Wasn't that the early R6 (5EB)?
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:
Turned out the thread on the shaft is stripped, so it's new second hand bike time.
What's the best way to get rid of a bike like this? Breakers? I haven't the space to break it myself



As said above, provided the spines are good, it can be easily and cheaply fixed, either the way as suggested, or welding a nut to the shaft **not welding sprocket to the shaft** as the weld will not cope well with shock loading - it is just to retain sprocket on the splines.


Lol... pretty obvious now you've spelt it out!
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 21 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the moment I lost drive, I was bloody lucky to get away with that!
https://i.imgur.com/R9bBxbY.mp4
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