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TheGazWaz
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Many people checking their own Valves out there? Reply with quote

Long short, I have 1999 ZX9R in pretty much spotless condition and I absolutely love the thing.

It's just gone past 21k which I believe is about the time it needs it's valve clearances checked?

I've been quoted £300 which is an absolute "feck off no way" from the missus as we're in the middle of a loft conversion and the fact that the bike only cost me $1300 in the first place seems a lot for a bit preventative maintenance.

I suppose my questions are, If I leave it for a few K is the bike likely to blow up.

Is it something I could do myself. I'm pretty clued up. I have my Haynes manual at hand. Biggest job I've done on this bike is head bearing which isn't major but requires a front end strip down and plenty of time.

As soon as people start mentioning removal of cams my sphincter reacts in a negative way. Is it a difficult job to do and what can go wrong.

Cheers for listening all.

Gaz
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only need to remove the rocker covers to CHECK the valve clearances. If they are all within tolerances, put it back on and carry on. The cams only need to come out if they need adjusting.

I'd rather re-shim a head than change out steering head bearings. It all does what it says in the book, you just need to be clean, tidy and methodical.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really that difficult, the biggest time drain when checking shims is taking off radiatir, tank etc to get at the head.

Changing shims is a bit more involved but a manual will see you through it okqy.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valve clearances are very quick and easy to check on many bikes, after you've done them a couple of times. Also keep changing the oil and oil filter at regular intervals, and make sure the cam chain tensioner is doing its job. Stay on top of these things and you won't have to worry about mollycoddling your engine. Cams may have to come out but don't worry, they go back in. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My work colleague was in the same boat. He spent about a week fretting about it Smile I think his CBR had done something like 20k.

All the work was in taking off the fairings. Once past that he found the shims were perfectly fine. Better safe that sorry Smile
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can change head bearings you can check valve clearances, not that hard. Even if you have to remove cams its not that hard. Dont drop anything in the engine, thats the key thing lol.

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PostPosted: 15:04 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:
Dont drop anything in the engine, thats the key thing lol.

OGR


Ouch!! What a nightmare that would be.... I hate even to think about it.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure engine is cold, best left overnight.
Checking the timing marks is not hard, but it does have to be bang on.
Lots of writing down measurements in boxes and triple checking calculations.

If you do need shims then you either wait for them to be delivered or you buy a mixed set beforehand.

So just buy the shims now, as sods law dictates that waste of money guarantees the clearances will be in tolerance, either that or the sizes you need are not in the box Laughing

Decent feeler gauges, and a light drag is what you're after.
If you're taking the cam holder out, you need to torque it up in the right order and also to the correct torque value, otherwise those nicely adjusted shims might not fit properly anymore.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 31 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I avoid bikes with shims.

Sometimes it’s easier to chuck a low mileage engine in then fanny about adjusting shin valves.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 31 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my Exup 1000 back in 1992 it was the first bike I had owned that used shims.I bought the Haynes manual and set about checking the clearances using Imperial feeler gauges as they go down to a thinner size so can be more accurately measured.Out of 20 valves then eight were found to be below the minimum,both on the inlet and exhaust.There was no way I was going to take it into a shop so I set about doing them myself and I was pleased that I found the procedure relatively easy and straight-forward.

Since then I have done them on other peoples bikes with the owners supervision,so that they could take notes and measurements.

As for changing engines instead of shims...... Shocked Neutral
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 01 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Valve clearances are very quick and easy to check on many bikes, after you've done them a couple of times. Also keep changing the oil and oil filter at regular intervals, and make sure the cam chain tensioner is doing its job. Stay on top of these things and you won't have to worry about mollycoddling your engine. Cams may have to come out but don't worry, they go back in. Laughing


Anyone who can laugh about valve clearances has never tried to check the clearances on any shimmed Zed variant.

It's a piece of piss - once you've got everything above them out of the way and they will almost certainly need jigging about if they haven't been done in a while.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 01 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers all. I really appreciate your advice and knowledge.

I'm going to check them myself and I just know that if they need adjusting I'm not going to waste the opportunity to learn how to do it especially as the bikes already in bits.

I think my biggest fear is getting the timing wrong but if I follow the Haynes manual step by step it should be OK.

Am I likely to need a new rocker gasket?

I've done valves on my Bandit 1200. These are a piece of cake not only for adjustment but also for access. No shims required. Just lock nut and adjust to spec.

cheers

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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheGazWaz wrote:
Am I likely to need a new rocker gasket?


Strictly speaking: yes but if the old one is still intact and then I wouldn't worry.
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