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PostPosted: 13:01 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Route Planner? Reply with quote

Is there such a thing as a route planner that picks motorcycle-friendly roads? Google Maps etc. seem to choose based on one of two options, either fastest (end up on motorways) or shortest (farm tracks). Turning off "motorways" doesn't help either as it just tries to route you down dual carriageways then. A mate has a BMW bike sat-nav that has a "twisty roads" option that seems to do a reasonable job of this, but I'm hoping there's an online equivalent somewhere.

Is there such a thing as a motorcycle-oriented route planner anywhere? Be really useful if planning a touring route or to a new destination. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

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Is there such a thing as a route planner that picks motorcycle-friendly roads? Google Maps etc. seem to choose based on one of two options, either fastest (end up on motorways) or shortest (farm tracks). Turning off "motorways" doesn't help either as it just tries to route you down dual carriageways then. A mate has a BMW bike sat-nav that has a "twisty roads" option that seems to do a reasonable job of this, but I'm hoping there's an online equivalent somewhere.

Is there such a thing as a motorcycle-oriented route planner anywhere? Be really useful if planning a touring route or to a new destination. Thumbs Up


There was a bike GPS where you could set the preferences on amount of twist, amount of inclines etc etc....probably expensive though....

Someone needs to have created an app for this...
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick Google throws up https://kurviger.de/en which, on a sample of one route I just randomly invented, seems to do a good job of staying off of multi-lane highways.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this… https://www.routeyou.com/en-gb
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:


Is there such a thing as a motorcycle-oriented route planner anywhere? Be really useful if planning a touring route or to a new destination. Thumbs Up


You and a good old-fashioned map/road atlas that shows elevation. And a bit of research on t'net about potential destinations. Still my preferred method, which has served me well over many years.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
A mate has a BMW bike sat-nav that has a "twisty roads" option that seems to do a reasonable job of this, but I'm hoping there's an online equivalent somewhere.

Well BMW satnavs are Garmins (and indeed modern Garmin-branded satnavs do include this feature. Garmin's own PC software is a thing called Basecamp, so I would imagine that may well feature this too? Howewever, Basecamp is the most horrendous, incomprehensible piece of software I've ever come across (and I can assure you I'm not alone in that opinion) so aproach with caution...
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers all. That Kurviger site seems pretty good - plugged in two destinations across Cheshire where I know pretty much every road and lane and it picked some half decent ones.

I agree a map is a nice way to plan routes, but it takes a bit of time which sadly I don't always have.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waze has a motorcycle mode, although I've not used it so can't comment on how good it is. My TomTom Rider 400 lets you select the level winding/hilly you fancy, but I really only use my satnav to find my destination for the last part of my journeys.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of journey?
Sunday afternoon B road Britain sort of thing? long weekend or
sell the house and do a Long way round?

I understand the avoidance of motorways as they're feckin boring
but it has to be said it's probably the fastest route if you're travelling long distances
especially if time is limited.

I seriously doubt theres a perfect all in one magic route planner
and reckon good old research is the best method.
I'll often use a combination of paper/OS maps, google earth, street view etc
to try and get a balance of interesting but not too time consuming routes.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:

Basecamp... incomprehensible piece of software I've ever come across (and I can assure you I'm not alone in that opinion) so approach with caution...


I don't have a problem with it .. highly usable ,accurate and concise.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:

Basecamp... incomprehensible piece of software I've ever come across (and I can assure you I'm not alone in that opinion) so approach with caution...


I don't have a problem with it .. highly usable ,accurate and concise.


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PostPosted: 17:45 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
ThunderGuts wrote:
A mate has a BMW bike sat-nav that has a "twisty roads" option that seems to do a reasonable job of this, but I'm hoping there's an online equivalent somewhere.

Well BMW satnavs are Garmins (and indeed modern Garmin-branded satnavs do include this feature. Garmin's own PC software is a thing called Basecamp, so I would imagine that may well feature this too? Howewever, Basecamp is the most horrendous, incomprehensible piece of software I've ever come across (and I can assure you I'm not alone in that opinion) so aproach with caution...


Garmin r kunts and basekamp is a bigger kunt.

But for my £ they make better shat-navs than the competition which is only really TomTom which is wank anyway. (And Dutch AF)
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Calimoto, it’s good. You can give it a time and direction and it’ll calculate a motorcycle friendly route to suit. You have to pay for maps outside your locality (mine is south east England for example).

Best on Android, but now available on Apple too.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can alter Google Maps to whatever route you choose. Let it pick it's default route, and re-route/tweak to your hearts content. Then you can send it to your phone and use it as a satnav if needed.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 18 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Route Planner? Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
You and a good old-fashioned map/road atlas that shows elevation. And a bit of research on t'net about potential destinations. Still my preferred method, which has served me well over many years.


I agree with this the most. Exploring new destinations is one of the things that you can massively over-plan for, or overthink, really quite easily.

I have an app on the phone called Scout GPS that works without network. In the past I've just ridden and stopped/looked on that for a general direction / main road numbers and then continued on.

Tried SatNav but never really got on with looking away from the roads, and found road signs far more useable. Phone in the pocket with headphones may work better but I'm not really a fan of the idea.

I usually go from major city to major city and then ride to any smaller places from there, and return to head off somewhere else if needed.

In terms of roads worth riding around on instead of how to get to them I find a quick search on Google maps -- from the air, not street view -- easily points out ones that look worthwhile. Street view it, make a note and go from there.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 19 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green-top OS "road" series maps. Small enough scale to plan the whole route on one map, Large enough scale to see all the roads and a good bit of topography.

In my experience, you can often find a B-road that goes from one place to another but the only place you'll find it is by looking on an actual map.

Here's a route for you to test. Go from Gretna to Abington. The B7076 runs all the way from one to the other but you can't get a route planner to take you on it.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 19 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Here's a route for you to test. Go from Gretna to Abington. The B7076 runs all the way from one to the other but you can't get a route planner to take you on it.


That Kurviger linked above uses the B7076 all the way. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 19 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Green-top OS "road" series maps. Small enough scale to plan the whole route on one map, Large enough scale to see all the roads and a good bit of topography.

In my experience, you can often find a B-road that goes from one place to another but the only place you'll find it is by looking on an actual map.

Here's a route for you to test. Go from Gretna to Abington. The B7076 runs all the way from one to the other but you can't get a route planner to take you on it.


Really? I just put that into Google Maps and ticked "avoid highways" and the B7076 route comes up Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 19 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

In my experience, you can often find a B-road that goes from one place to another but the only place you'll find it is by looking on an actual map.


1:25 000 to cover any significant area require a number of them .. and i will match you for any B road and raise you C and unclassified -roads using mapping software that are simply not shown on said maps .. the route calculation simply will route on them if that is your desire ....

and here is the route you asked for
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 20 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

In my experience, you can often find a B-road that goes from one place to another but the only place you'll find it is by looking on an actual map.


1:25 000 to cover any significant area require a number of them .. and i will match you for any B road and raise you C and unclassified -roads using mapping software that are simply not shown on said maps .. the route calculation simply will route on them if that is your desire ....

and here is the route you asked for


They are 1:250000 and show all the roads.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


They are 1:250000 and show all the roads.


Bollox .. i have a number of these .. limitations of scale prevent ..
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

TLDR but have a look at Calimoto. It's an app which route plans for twisties.
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