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1981 GS550 Wont rev above 6-7k unless running out of fuel

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octusis
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: 1981 GS550 Wont rev above 6-7k unless running out of fuel Reply with quote

I've looked all over the place and can't find anything on it. I've adjusted the floats to what I believe is factory spec. The bike seems to rev fine in neutral or just off-load in general but as soon as its under any kind of load it just falls on its face unless its running out of gas by shutting off the petcock.

I'm stumped at this point if anyone has any ideas on what it could be I would really appreciate it Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, not getting max airflow at full throttle perhaps? (Restricting the fuel would lean it out to balance this.)

Worth checking the air filter and exhaust for blockages.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a rich mixture and improves with less fuel (lowering the fuel level in the carbs).
Are the main jets standard?
The spark plugs colours will tell a tale.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The O.P. says it is ok for a mo after turning the fuel tap off.
So how can it be the air intake change?
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

1981 bike? I wonder what condition all the carb seals and o rings are in?
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 24 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thought, does it have a vacuum operated fuel tap?
If so is there any fuel in that pipe going into the intake manifold?
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PostPosted: 04:20 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Hmm, not getting max airflow at full throttle perhaps? (Restricting the fuel would lean it out to balance this.)

Worth checking the air filter and exhaust for blockages.


It seems to be getting solid airflow because the plugs are rather chalky. 2 seem to be chalky while the other 2 seem to be an alright color
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PostPosted: 04:21 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Sounds like a rich mixture and improves with less fuel (lowering the fuel level in the carbs).
Are the main jets standard?
The spark plugs colours will tell a tale.


I believe the main jets are standard and as for the fuel level in the carbs i set them at 22.4 which is factory (or so i thought) Do you know from what point to what point they are to be measured? these carbs have stepped floats.
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PostPosted: 04:23 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
I’m thinking like Easy-X. If it’s over fuelling, it could be due to “under airing”. What’s the air filter like?


I've got pods on it and theyre brand new, never ran it with the stock box because i dont have it so i'm not sure, my application cant use the stock box.
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PostPosted: 04:23 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
1981 bike? I wonder what condition all the carb seals and o rings are in?


I've went through some of them that i already seen were cracked and old, as for the floats and things they seem to be sealed alright
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PostPosted: 04:24 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Another thought, does it have a vacuum operated fuel tap?
If so is there any fuel in that pipe going into the intake manifold?


I've got it gravity fed at the moment.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 25 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried lowering the float level a tad?
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 26 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damon wrote:
Have you tried lowering the float level a tad?


I've tried all different levels of lowering them, could it be that they are worn?
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 26 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens when you leave the fuel tap on when not using the bike?
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 27 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got confused and left the choke on?
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 27 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
What happens when you leave the fuel tap on when not using the bike?


One of the carbs will sometimes leak, it doesnt seem like it always does though and it's only one of them
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 27 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Got confused and left the choke on?


It needs choke to start and I always shut it off and it seems to return okay so I dont think thats it..
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 27 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

octusis wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
What happens when you leave the fuel tap on when not using the bike?


One of the carbs will sometimes leak, it doesnt seem like it always does though and it's only one of them


That is the problem.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 27 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need to at least replace all the seals and float needles/valves in the carbs.

Don't try and cheap out, it might end up with the bike on fire.
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PostPosted: 04:14 - 28 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
You'll need to at least replace all the seals and float needles/valves in the carbs.

Don't try and cheap out, it might end up with the bike on fire.


Do you know how to remove the jet where the float needle sits in? I've tried to remove it in one of them by minimal force to not damage it and I couldn't seem to get it to dislodge, do they screw out or pop out?
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PostPosted: 04:15 - 28 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
That is the problem.


So the float needles and seats should be replaced in all of the carbs?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 28 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is anything more than a hobby bike, I'd be thinking about getting shot of it for something else tbh. Getting a bit too long in the tooth, and I doubt parts are easy to come by if you need anything other than wear-and-tear.

If it's a hobby bike, I'd be looking at replacing anything in the carbs I could get new replacements for. What state is the inside of the fuel tank? If it's feeding crap into the carbs, it might cause fuel leaks/flooding/god knows what. Likewise with fuel lines. It doesn't take much.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 29 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
If this is anything more than a hobby bike, I'd be thinking about getting shot of it for something else tbh. Getting a bit too long in the tooth, and I doubt parts are easy to come by if you need anything other than wear-and-tear.

If it's a hobby bike, I'd be looking at replacing anything in the carbs I could get new replacements for. What state is the inside of the fuel tank? If it's feeding crap into the carbs, it might cause fuel leaks/flooding/god knows what. Likewise with fuel lines. It doesn't take much.


Well the tank is pretty much brand new. i've got the sucker in a gokart we've been building for dirt drags, it had the same problem in the bike too, number 1 cyl has 90 PSI as the others have 120 so we're going to try lapping the valve to see if it makes any difference with how #1 fires and I suppose if that doesnt work i'll have to go to the float needles? what do you think?
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