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droog
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Aluminium or Stainless Steel? Reply with quote

Hi, hope everyone is doing ok and enjoying their bikes! Laughing

I just want to apologise in advance for my personal aluminium washer psycho-drama outlined below - but I reckon if anyone on the planet understands the importance of this stuff its you guys on here. Mr. Green

I Just wanted to check that I am looking at aluminium washers here (pics below) and not stainless steel? The pics below show Honda OEM M6 washers for the CBR cam-holder bolts - I'm pretty sure these are alumiinium as you wouldn't use stainless steel for an application like this right?

Reason I ask is that I got totally fleeced buying X8 official Honda OEM washers for the cam-holder - so when they arrived I measured the thickness of the brand new Honda OEM washers at 1.5 mm on the mic.

So now I know the exact spec of the OEM washers I have ordered 20 aluminium M6 washers off Ebay with 1.6mm thickness for a fraction of the cost of OEM for next time I do this job or if I have to take the cam off again.

The orginal factory fitted washers on the cam-holder were copper and not aluminium anyway - so there is obviously no 'special unique washer' for the cam holders which justifies the exorbitant cost of OEM.

From what I can see if they are aluminium/copper, are M6 and the same or near as dammit thickness they should be fine.

Cheers. Very Happy

https://i.ibb.co/p1cYXsS/HONDA-WASHER.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hf6ztPY/HONDA-WASHERS.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first thought is it looks like BZP steel. Edit: I've been had, you said they were OEM aluminiun pics! Smile

My next thought is that without having one in my hand, an easy test is to rub one edge across a file, going with the line of the teeth. If it's aluminium, it will groove very easily (you can compare it to an ordinary steel washer) because aluminium is a comparatively soft and sticky metal. You should still be able to use the washer after. You could also try a scratch test, using for instance a nail on the edge of the washer (comparing the result to steel).

Edit: copper's a bit stronger than aluminium, and it's easy to tell what it is Smile
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless it's martensitic stainless (which is unlikely in this application and would not be cheap at any rate), it'll be slightly magnetic. Aluminium is in no way magnetic.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for both your replies - much appreciated.

I tried the magnet test (I should have worked this out for myself but I was bogged down in other detail Mr. Green )

Yep - no magnetic attraction whatsoever - so definitely aluminium.

Ok - the upshot is that I spent way too much money on the Honda OEM aluminium washers and I'm feeling foolish for doing so - I went strictly OEM because this is my first cams out job and I was anxious to do everything by the book.

If I was doing this again I would have ordered the one washer, established what it was made out of, the thicknes and OD and sourced the equivalent much cheaper off ebay.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grind into power. Mix with iron oxide. Light it. How well it burns is your answer.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 21 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Grind into power. Mix with iron oxide. Light it. How well it burns is your answer.


I was always crap at physics and chemistry at school. But I find this stuff properly interesting these days now that I can see how relevant it all is.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 22 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aluminium washers are lighter weight than stainless ones but I'm probably one of only a handful of people on here who could tell without a comparison item.

The scratch test is the best method of finding ally but I'd do it with a Stanley knife blade, a light touch should give you your answer.
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 22 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Aluminium washers are lighter weight than stainless ones but I'm probably one of only a handful of people on here who could tell without a comparison item.

The scratch test is the best method of finding ally but I'd do it with a Stanley knife blade, a light touch should give you your answer.


Cheers, I'm learning so much stuff since I started on this vc job.
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