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A100man
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: thoughts on running different size bores Reply with quote

On my GT250 one at 54.5mm and one a 55mm.

Clearly not ideal, but people often talk of compression figures only having to be within 10% of each other...

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PostPosted: 09:47 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it ideal? No.

Was it commonplace back in the day?

Yes.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm my thinking too. My brother would say..

'Well, it's not a race engine is it?'
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

0.5mm is a full piston size.

So standard bore on a GT250 is 54.0mm? (according to google) So you have one at +0.5 and one at +1.0 already. That'll slap about like a pencil in a tin can if you use standard pistons

You probably want to take them both out to 55 and fit some +1.0 pistons?

Or more probably both out to +1.5 because if it's +1.0 through wear, it's probably not round either.

Piston kit is £60, probably about the same again for the rebore?

EDIT: I'd be less worried about using different sized pistons and rings if they fit the bore.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

EDIT: I'd be less worried about using different sized pistons and rings if they fit the bore.


Yes this. Current RHS bore is 54.5 and good. LHS has damaged exhasut threads (not studs the exhaust has a 48mm castle nut..) BUt I have a LHS cylinder with good threads that can be rebored to 55mm and I have good piston for that size.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how much difference in weight there is between the two pistons and if it could be balanced out by a little judicious sanding off of casting marks etc on the inside of the heavier one.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be much can it? In any case most (ok a lot) of the weight will be in the rod pin and bearing. It's not high revving either - 8k red line I think.

I'll dig out my Anthony Worrall-Thompson electronic scales later and see what were talking about
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was quite common back in the day with hamfisted servicing (or lack thereof) for people to burn a hole in one piston and just rebore that side (and likely just use a hose pipe to flush the crankcases out - be honest, we've all done it, especially when planning to sell the bike). You could arse around weighing pistons, or you could just sling it together and ride it.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get 'em both out to +1.0 by all means but I doubt the liner would like any more than that taken off Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just interested.

I've sent a twin engine for a rebore before and the (brand new) pistons have come back with R and L written on them in marker pen because they were slightly different diameters.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Get 'em both out to +1.0 by all means but I doubt the liner would like any more than that taken off Thinking


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PostPosted: 19:38 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A GT250 probably suffers far more power imbalance from the wanky siamese throttle cable setup than half a mm difference in the bore size.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Get 'em both out to +1.0 by all means but I doubt the liner would like any more than that taken off Thinking



There's actually loads of meat on the liners - you can even use TS125 pistons (oversized!)
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
wanky siamese throttle cable setup t.


Laughing Laughing Well quite..

I've got a couple of options one being some standard bores that have been skimmed 2mm off the top Rolling Eyes but I made some base spacers to jack them back up by a 1mm (1.5) if I use two base gaskets too.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick fag-packet maths says your swept volumes are 2.3cc different.

That's 2.8%, blow-by will probably vary more.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
Can't be much can it? In any case most (ok a lot) of the weight will be in the rod pin and bearing.

They should be the same weight, within tolerance anyway. When you rebore and fit a new piston, you don't change the balance.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

+Look at it this way. There's no harm in doing what you propose on this oldish machine, and you're actually conserving the thing by not taking metal off where you don't need to.

Win, win.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks chaps.. my instinct was to give it a try.

Its a survivor when all said and done and there are a few escape routes i can take if needed
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 11 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with stink, pete and forced, bore size will probably make eff all difference so long as everything fits, but I would check some weights, just to be sure you aren't loading one side of the crank with too much moving mass.

Just belt and braces, as you say, it's not exactly a high revving race motor, some of them probably left the factory with higher tolerances.
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PostPosted: 05:51 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hone the smaller bore out .5mm, and knurl the piston skirts to fit.
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