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PostPosted: 17:01 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: End of the British Car GP? Reply with quote

Hi

Looks like it might be the end of the British car GP:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3703350.stm

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PostPosted: 17:05 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whaaaaat.

I think that if it's not being held at Silverstone it'll be held somewhere else, brands hatch maybe.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Suspect it will just disappear. Loads of other countries want to hold a GP and will pay the money (at least in the short term) while those holding the rights to hold it in the UK cannot afford it.

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Silverstone had a contract to hold the British GP until 2006?
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The British Racing Drivers Club cannot afford the British Grand Prix at any price." Looks like britain just cant afford to do it Sad My step dad did marshalling there and i wanted to go, not bad money for a fun weekend too Sad
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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£9m is a lot of money to recoup through ticket sales on the gates, and selling overpriced food (think the advertising and TV money goes straight to Ecclestones mob), even before paying for the other costs such as marshalling, policing costs, etc.

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PostPosted: 17:26 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fact is that the UK has a large number of people who will watch the GP on TV. perhaps 100,000 would actually go and see it.

If they replaced silverstone with the chinese GP then the an possible TV audience of a billion people, plus hundreds of thousands would go to see it, and the british would keep watching on TV.

quite honestly witht he way the grand prix is at the moment i hardly ever watch it so i wouldnt even notice it had gone
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very disappointing decision. Compared to a lot of other tracks around the world Silverstone is a bit basic, however it was the venue of the first F1 Grand Prix and is one of the more exciting tracks. Unfortunately sport takes a back seat when it comes to these decisions; money, politics and media exposure for tobacco companies are deemed more important. Also whereas most other governments where Grand Prix are held are highly supportive and subsidise the event our Government does absolutely nothing, despite Bernie Ecclestone giving The Labour Party £1 million pounds! (Which they had to give back).

What people fail to recognise is that F1 is a major industry in this country and the recognised leader in providing technology, personnel, engines and chassis as well as teams. With the loss of the flagship event in the UK, you will see a steady decline in this country's influence, and the resultant loss of jobs and technological stagnation.

A sad day Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well unless the Grand Prix get a lot more competitive and exciting than most have them have been this year, I won't shed any tears.

F1 is so dull compared to Moto GP. But Ecclestone, well, he's a nothing more than a money-grabbing slimeball.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
A sad day Crying or Very sad

Yes, a very sad one Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Personally love F1, esp. the Silverstone race.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Whaaaaat.

I think that if it's not being held at Silverstone it'll be held somewhere else, brands hatch maybe.


No, it won't.

Bernie Ecclestone holds the rights to all the GP around the globe. The way a GP is run is that the circuit (or whoever, me, you etc) pays Bernie a set figure to 'promote' the GP. That price currently stads at somewhere in the region of 9 million. That's a lot of cash to stump up just to hold a race (that everyone currently thinks is boring anyway!).

The circuit has to make money by getting bums on seats. If the ticket allocation is in the region of 100,000 on raceday (give or take 25-50,000 on the other two days) at, say 100 quid a ticket..

100 x 100,000 = 10,000,000.

However, you have to gurantee that amount of folks through the gate. And you have to factor in all the other costs. The hire of the circuit. The hire of the security, the cost of printing tickets, posting them out. Before you even being to 'promote' the event itself.

That costs more than the 1 million you'd get back on ticket sales.

So, you'd run at a loss. Not great business sense. In fact, it's the main reason that Silverstone got the rights back to be the host circuit for the British GP as when Octagon realised what everything was costing them, they walked away! (Even a mulit-million dollar american company can get sick of spending too much!)

There isn't another circuit in the UK that is up to current FIA standard to hold the race anyway, it's Silverstone or nowhere. Looks like it's nowhere in 2005. Or maybe Bahrain or China. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat. Mad The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.

'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money... Evil or Very Mad

I'm struggling to get across how annoyed this makes me... Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat. The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.

'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money...

I'm struggling to get across how annoyed this makes me...


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PostPosted: 20:36 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty sickening what Ecclestone is doing to F1. The sheer greed of the guy is unbelievable. With F1 in the state it is atm, he's the last guy who should be in control of it, as he's just making life harder for the teams and it's getting harder to even consider F1 anything other than a business. The British GP is important and shouldn't be going anywhere. Anyone with any genuine interest in F1 would agree... the guy should be shot. Thumbs Down

Edit: Just found a link to this: https://www.petitiononline.com/11688523/petition.html
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

F1 is now simple, buy the right team, people, car, tires, get the right advertising, and you get effective promotion for your product.

Get any of those things wrong and your pouring money down the drain. If ford can't afford to run a grand prix team...i cant see how any new teams to come into the sport, or for any of the low budget teams to continue. Grand prix location is not about racing, its about targetting your advertising towards a nation. britain makes up 1/100th of the worlds population so if you wanted to target your advertising towards 16 or 17 countries britain wouldnt be one of them.

no wonder F1 is dying, and motoGP is more alive than ever!
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but F1 bores me senseless, maybe they will promote something more interesting if F1 is missing. Maybe more bike racing? Or how about truck racing! Cool
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A reader's letter in MCN stated that MotoGP was following the way of F1, i.e. procession instead of gutsy racing, big money grabbers, commercial exposure etc. Maybe it's true in the case of Honda, as who's going to challenge them after Rossi transfers to four wheels? I can only hope it doesn't happen.

I must admit, the last few F1 GP's have been very exciting, maybe because it's all over now, the pressure's off and drivers can actually start racing again as they battle for jobs next year.

Of course, it's always different when you watch a GP trackside instead of the small screen, I'm sure all you F1 haters would immediately start to love it after actually turning up to watch, smelling the racing fuel and listening to the sound of God screaming for 70 laps??
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a sad day for British racing.
Where does the '£9 million' Ecclestone wants go? Is it all for him or does he have to pay the FIA an so on. He is a greedy man who maybe acting in the best financial interests of the sport, but money doesn't make great racing.

Over the last few years we have seen a lot of processional races, where has the wheel to wheel racing of the Mansell and Hill eras gone (sorry i'm not old enough to remember further back)
Without quality, interesting races F1 is going to go down the pan and the British GP was one of the better this year.

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PostPosted: 22:51 - 30 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
Also whereas most other governments where Grand Prix are held are highly supportive and subsidise the event our Government does absolutely nothing, despite Bernie Ecclestone giving The Labour Party £1 million pounds! (Which they had to give back).


I'm glad the government are keeping out of it. Why? Because I'd rather my tax money was not handed back to Mr Ecclestone to fill his pockets with.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say i'm bothered in the slightest, F1 is shiite.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to love F1. Really love it. I've been to quite a few races, and spent quite a lot of money. But I'm really having trouble maintaining my interest now. When I watch it these days all I see are all the things that are wrong with it - things that could be fixed to make the sport wonderful but which aren't going to be fixed any time soon.

Bernie has always had it in for the UK GP, and I don't actually know why that one specifically. The facilities may not be as wonderful as a brand new circuit, but they're very similar to the likes of Spa, or Magny-Cours, or Spain, or Hungary. And yet he never complains about those (well OK, he has been known to grumble about Spa!)

Whether the UK GP is actually dead is by no means certain, it has been taken off the provisional calendar in years before, so Bernie can grumble some more, but it ends up back on. Could be this time he's serious though.
A few years ago I would have been really angry about that. Until the sport becomes more exciting again I have to say I'm not that bothered Sad
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The loss of gp is no real loss to me, just a shame on the job front, perhaps they do not want it because it's so boring.

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PostPosted: 08:59 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat. Mad The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.

'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money... Evil or Very Mad

I'm struggling to get across how annoyed this makes me... Thumbs Down


While what you say above is true, the bit I've (hopefully) put in bold is utter bollocks.
Why should the government fund a healthy multi-million dollar a year business that does quite alright by itself, thank you. They fast-tracked the mulit-million pound Silverstone by-pass as that was apparantly going to lose the circuit the race two years ago. They've already been in the news about taking money from Bernie before, and had to give it back.

As McJam says, our tax should not be spent on promoting a motor race.

The ONLY reason the British GP might not go ahead next year is because Bernie doesn't want it to. Not because the UK government should be spending 3 million dollars on it.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Git wrote:
The loss of formula1 is no real loss to me, just a shame on the job front, perhaps they do not want it because it's so boring.


The circuit owners (The British Racing Drivers Club) want it. The public wants it. The teams want it. It's Bernie Ecclestone who wants a large amount of money for them to have the privilege.

Funny things F1 fans, they seem to keep going back even though the show is incredibly boring... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam_P wrote:
As McJam says, our tax should not be spent on promoting a motor race.


I agree, but would extend that to any professional sporting event.

All the best

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