Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Run it in or thrash it?

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

california_rookie
World Chat Champion



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:37 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Run it in or thrash it? Reply with quote

Recently, a friend of mine was regailing me with a tale of two identical bike, one of which had been properly run-in, the other of which had been thrashed to within an inch of it's life. The results of which, supposedly scientifically obtained, were as follows:

Bike #1 - which was run in porperly - ran exactly as anticipated.

Bike #2 - the unlucky thrashing victim - made more total horsepower but developed an internal oil leak.

Anyone heard of anything of the sort or have any evidence as to how this story might be confirmed/disproven?
____________________
https://www.bikepics.com/members/californiarookie/04gsxr600/
https://www.myspace.com/spapadillion
https://steamcommunity.com/id/spapadillion
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Frost
World Chat Champion



Joined: 26 May 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 03:38 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are sites which detail a thrashing style of running in this normally envolves putting the bike on a dyno and opening upt he throttle to various positions and holding it there. It is said to give a better seal, but the argument against it is that it overstresses the engine expecially if it has new components. Personally i would adopt an aproach of try and ride the thing normally, but Don't thrash it untill you have a couple of hundred miles under your belt.
I really can't see the harm of revving a bike to 6000rpm rather than a recommended 5000, or thrashing it 50 miles earlier than the manual says
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

california_rookie
World Chat Champion



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 04:36 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. For the first 1000 miles I just kept creaping slowly up on the redline, phasing in a little more of the throttle day by day. Now the damned thing's making clicking sounds from the top end and has already been to the shop once. What the hell'd I do wrong? Embarassed
____________________
https://www.bikepics.com/members/californiarookie/04gsxr600/
https://www.myspace.com/spapadillion
https://steamcommunity.com/id/spapadillion
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

divuk83
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:21 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just warm the bike up properly then ride it however you want!

Dave
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

TheShaggyDA
Repost Police



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:01 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be referring to one of the articles here :-

https://www.mototuneusa.com/
____________________
Current: CB500 Previous: CB100N, CB250RS, XJ900F, GT550, GPZ750R/1000RX, AJS M16, R100RT, Enfield Bullet

[i:6e3bfc7581]But still I fear and still I dare not laugh at the madman...[/i:6e3bfc7581]
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

tintin
Traffic Copper



Joined: 23 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:04 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the article:

https://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
____________________
The older I get the better I was
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

iCraig
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:09 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some do say thrashing it from new gives you a better seal round the piston rings and the bore etc, and if you leave a it a few hundred miles the honing on the cylinder bores has been worn off so they don't create a proper seal.

In my opinion that is rubbish, because thrashing it from new means it will wear quicker as there are little particales of metal in the engine as its new etc, and it will also overstress the engine too.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

instigator
Super Spammer



Joined: 19 Oct 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:12 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do my own breaking in period, probably about half or quarter of what the manufacturer says, just ensuring that WHENEVER I ride the bike, I warm it up completely.

Having said that, I tried to ride with the choke on the other day, no wonder I was going so slowly Wink
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

CBRPETER
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:23 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol. I wouldn't thrash it early just for the reason that i payed a shit load for it and i really don't want to wreck it, then on the other hand all this talk about clicks and unsealed pistons and bore have made me confused. Confused
____________________
Shes my life, shes so rad and shes the best ride i ever had!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Rory
Traffic Copper



Joined: 14 May 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:50 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one you really want to read is this one;

https://www.mototuneusa.com/circular_logic.htm
____________________
My Old CBR400RR | Bike Oil FAQ | Petrol FAQ
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:58 - 25 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

New bike or new bearings, serious top/bottom end work I would take it easy for the first bit.

A simple case of new rings and a quick hone or a rebore (on alloy engine) and new piston without a bearing change for a previously run-in motor. I would consider the high-rev running in technique using mineral oil and changing it + filter after 20 miles or so.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

sickpup
Old Timer



Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:25 - 26 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Run it in or thrash it? Reply with quote

california_rookie wrote:


Bike #2 - the unlucky thrashing victim - made more total horsepower but developed an internal oil leak.



Sorry but can you explain this internal oil leak. It's been a while since 2 strokes were sold in the states and I really can't work out how you could have an internal oil leak on a 4 stroke since pretty much the whole internal engine space is a great pool for oil. Unless of course you mean the seal between the head-cylinder or cylinder-crankcase in which case this has nothing to do with running in as it's not a moving part.

Not trying to demean your post just don't understand it.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

iCraig
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:01 - 26 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Run it in or thrash it? Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Sorry but can you explain this internal oil leak. It's been a while since 2 strokes were sold in the states and I really can't work out how you could have an internal oil leak on a 4 stroke since pretty much the whole internal engine space is a great pool for oil. Unless of course you mean the seal between the head-cylinder or cylinder-crankcase in which case this has nothing to do with running in as it's not a moving part.

Not trying to demean your post just don't understand it.


He probably means the piston/oil seals aren't sealing against the bore and its burning oil, or it could be that the head gasket has gone and water and oil is leaking in and out?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

sickpup
Old Timer



Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:41 - 26 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Run it in or thrash it? Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:

He probably means the piston/oil seals aren't sealing against the bore and its burning oil, or it could be that the head gasket has gone and water and oil is leaking in and out?


Thing is thats what I thought of. The problem with this is the head gasket won't be affected by running in unless its a duff one or the bike was overheated and if its burning oil chances are it wasn't warmed up to operating temp before thrashing or was bored to large. Both of the above make the scenario listed above worthless as an example as its to ambiguous.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 21 years, 241 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.10 Sec - Server Load: 1.4 - MySQL Queries: 14 - Page Size: 83.67 Kb