Dead Hornet

[jay12329]

Went to start my Hornet 6 last night after it had sat in the garrage for about 10 days. The starter would turn the engine but not enough for it to fire, tried a few more times untill all i got from the starter was that horible clicking sound. I assume my alarm has saucked the life out of my battery.
I got the battery charged, starter motor now turns the engine but it still wont start, the first time it sounded like it was going to but didnt. Now when i press the starter button i can hear the starter and engine turning but no hint of combustion.
The bike had been sat for around 10 days on a paddock stand in the garage until i got it out last night.
Any sugestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
J

[Robby]

Is the fuel turned on?

Is it sparking?

If you keep trying it will probably catch eventually.

[neon]

pick the bike up and give it a good ol' shake

[Claud 14.7 to 1]

Try jumping it

With choke if you think you need it.

Check obvious things kill switch/fuel/fuses

[STUNTMAN2000]

Do NOT TRY JUMP STARTING IT !!!

If you bike runs a CDI system, if you use jump leads say from a car then you are gona fry your CDI, the car batt runs around 500ma this will fry your CDI coz bike batt's don't carry anything Like a car one.

Thing you can try is Bump Starting it, if your batt is low and you start it off the button it will turn the engine but may not produce enough of a good spark to light the fuel, this will then cover your plugs in fuel and cause it to "FLOOD".

The best thing you can do is, take the batt off give it a good charge overnight and try it again.

If it don't work pull off a plug lead and stick a spare plug into it rest it against the side of the engine and turn it over, see if it sparks a good "White" Spark, If te spark is blue then it is a little bit weak but should still run fine, if the spark is orange then it is too weak to run when in the engine and is probably breaking down under load.

If you get a white or blue spark, then get a can of WD40 Spray and get someone to spray a good squirt of it into the air intake or up the exaust while you turn the bike over.
WD40 burns more easy and faster than anything, this WILL start your engine if you are getting a spark.

If this works and then stops again when you stop spraying the WD40 then you have a fuel problem.

Get beck to me and I'll tell you how to fix that

Good Luck, and let us know how you get on.

[Claud 14.7 to 1]

Oh cak sorry I meant push start it. Push start it .

Although I have jumped mine off a car, and its fine. A few times now.

Always get them mixed up because you have to run with the bike then jump on it, then release the clutch.

Yeah push start is safer. And very effective in my experience.

[STUNTMAN2000]

[Lone-Wolf]

Wotcha.

Eh ?

[Wave2k]

spray a little damp start on the plugs and take it to a big hill
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[Demonic69]

I had the same problem with my RF. Take out the plugs and clean them, give the battery a good charge, then fiddle with the chike while starting. Carb cleaner is also a good thing to use. Just spray it while you're trying to start. you usually have to take your airfilter out, then spray directly into the carb openings.
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[jay12329]

I left the batery to charge over night. Took a little bit to get it started this morning, fiddleing with the choke and throttle until it got going. Def going to get an optimate.
J

[Big Pete]

Theres nothing wrong with using a car to jump start a bike engine I`ve done it loads of times. Both systems are running 12v DC, negative earth, so unless you get the leads the wrong way round there isnt a problem.

A car battery is capable of putting out in excess of 100 amps without any difficulty (for cold starting) and and a decent bike battery will put out 40 no problem. A cars alternator will almost always deliver more power (typically 600 Watts vs 150-200w on a bike), but that wont affect your bikes electronics unless you have a short.
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[map]

Glad you got it started
Just wanted to add a check for the future - make sure your kill switch hasn't been knocked.
It can be easily done manoeuvering a bike around.
It also can be very embarrassing
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[Robby]

I've jumped many bikes off cars.

GSXR400 CDI units are just shit.

[ZaphodBeeble]

I've jumped a few bikes off cars and car batteries. An electronic or electrical device will only draw the power/amps that it needs. As long as the voltage is right then the amps make no diff.
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[Fortuna]

[stryker]

Yeah I can confirm, recently I had to start my bike using a jump from a 12v car battery many times.

jay12329, I had the same issue as you, it was the battery, enough juice to turn the engine but not enough for a spark. If you had tried jump starting it from your car battery this would of proved it.
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[STUNTMAN2000]

Hmmm.....Maybe I am wrong then, I am only talking from past experiance and trying to stop someone else from breaking theirs.

So if you have a 12v batt on your bike and you jump it off your car 12v... So you now have 24v going into your bike why not just have a 24v batt on the bike in the first place.

Also if your jumping off your car while the engine is running and it's alternator is kicking out (17 for example) so not only are you running double the volts it's supposed to be but the power from your car's alt is also pouring straight into your bike and not even going through your regulator / rectifier (That limits your return voltage to the batt)

But instead you are sending the whole lot into your CDI unit ?

Does not seem a good plan to me.

I am not trying to cause an argument here as I am new to the site, but I would like to find out more on this so can we some more opinions please (for and against)

Cheers Guys

[Demonic69]

Surely you'll only get the output of your battery as you're running them inline, not paralell? You're putting a charge from the car, into your battery, then into your bike?
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[Fortuna]

Just to reiterate what the guy above said.
ohms law says that parallel voltage stays constant.
Parallel is positive to positive and negative to negative
Series is Positive(bike battery) to negative(car battery) etc.
I'll grab my multimeter and do this with some pics.
Do you know what the only difference between a car and bike battery is?
It's capacity. That's it no other difference.
It's an urban myth that a car will blow a bike up.

[Fortuna]

Forgot to mention that a bike also puts out roughly 14.5v to 16v when running.
All batteries require a higher voltage to charge. Thats why your headlights dim slightly when you turn off the kill switch.
One last thing, whenever you add things like LED lights etc. and need to add a resistor it should be worked out on the running voltage and not the standing voltage.

[kasandrich]

I'm afraid the others are right Stuntman2000

!2v is 12v, and as long as you connect up jump leads right (neg to neg, pos to pos) then 12v is all you have, you should not need to run the car to jump a bike.
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