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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: I wonder.......... Reply with quote

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https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/4466449.stm

I wonder what he will say to the next person he books speeding. "Who do you think you are, a policeman?".

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PostPosted: 14:16 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not too many real issues with him doing 159mph on a motorway (at the dead of night) but 84mph in a 30mph zone Shocked Question Exclamation
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do as I'd be very surprised if his tyres were rated for that speed.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
I do as I'd be very surprised if his tyres were rated for that speed.


I'd be extremely surprised if they weren't! He was in a unmarked Vectra (probably tuned, probably pursuit car). I've had Z rated tyres on my car (rated to 150+ mph) and they're not exactly rare or expensive so I would expect the same from the police.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

154 on the M54 in the dead of night is completely safe.

Coming back from braddy last time i went i did 130+ the entire way back and the only vehicals i encounterd were 4 or 5 lorries that i could see coming from miles away.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem with the 2 100mph+ ones but 84 in a 30 is stupid.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
84 in a 30 is stupid.


Yep, should have the book thrown at him for that! No excuses.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Mr.Everready wrote:
84 in a 30 is stupid.


Yep, should have the book thrown at him for that! No excuses.


Agreed. Sometimes 30 in a 30 is stupid.

I expect he may end up as a PC on foot patrol and may even get a push bike.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

No real problems about him speeding when it is safe to do so. Major problems with the fact that he would be taking people licences if he saw them do it whether it was safe or not.

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PostPosted: 23:44 - 02 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:

I'd be extremely surprised if they weren't! He was in a unmarked Vectra (probably tuned, probably pursuit car). I've had Z rated tyres on my car (rated to 150+ mph) and they're not exactly rare or expensive so I would expect the same from the police.


Well you see the thing is the police tend not to use alloys only steels due to weight of equipment and durability. They also tend to only use the manufacturers wheels as it helps on warranties and the only steel wheels on the Vectra are the 16 inch wheels. Bit hard to get V rated low pro's for these.

Now add the extra equipment which needs uprated suspension etc and you tend to exceed the rated weight of the alloys and the super low profile V rated tyres.

I didn't say the tyres were not available I said I would be surprised if they were rated for that speed maybe I should have added weight as well. This is one of the reasons why most forces place a restriction on vehicle speed.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

He shouldn't be speeding full stop, no excuses whatsoever.

I have no problem with speed limits and sticking to them. What really annoys me is when people openly flout the law, yet expect others to obey it. As kickstart mentioned he would be "taking people licences if he saw them do it".

The next time I pick up a new bike from the bike shop, I'll be sure to "assess its capabilities" on the way home.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all seem to be jumping to conclusions (except Keith, as ever). There are many different 30 roads, unless you know which one he was on, I don't think you can claim it unsafe. Its all about situation.

Also, many seem to claim that 'he' would nick someone for the same. Do you know him? He may have never issued a ticket for speeding. He may have only issued tickets where it was unsafe.

How are police meant to combat crime if they never speed? or if they only speed when in pursuit or on a track?

The only question is, was he meant to be testing the car? Was it safe?

After all, that is what the speed limits are for, safety. If it was safe then I have no problems, if it wasn't then throw the book at him. I don't think we have the evidence to be able to judge.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="sickpup"]
Silver wrote:

I didn't say the tyres were not available I said I would be surprised if they were rated for that speed maybe I should have added weight as well. This is one of the reasons why most forces place a restriction on vehicle speed.


one thing to take into account... its the traffic dept... not ur average panda... i know west mids used to have a Volvo T5 tuned by some british touring car team..
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I believe the police response to "speed kills" is that "immapropriate speed kills". Well, that is when they're not being pawns of the road safety partnerships (aka as money grabbing scamera low lifes Mad).

So maybe this is the way the police are saying it's okay to exceed the speed limit in the right place at the right time.


the right place being with a police vehicle, the right time being anytime
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

natv4 wrote:
You all seem to be jumping to conclusions (except Keith, as ever). There are many different 30 roads, unless you know which one he was on, I don't think you can claim it unsafe. Its all about situation.


That's somewhat irrelevent. If it was safe to do 80 then surely it'd be a national speed limit and not a 30? Whilst I will agree that there seems to be many different 50 zones I don't agree that there are many different 30 zones; a 30 zone will normally denote a built up area with houses, paths, driveways etc in close proximity to the road.

I sort of understand where you're coming from but Policemen are as human as the next person and just as capable of lapses in judgement; he might have thought 84mph was safe.... until a child steps into the road.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
That's somewhat irrelevent. If it was safe to do 80 then surely it'd be a national speed limit and not a 30?


Maybe true a decade ago, but not any more. For example Suffolk has installed loads of 30 limits in rural areas where there is next to no houses (and this has been blamed by coroners for deaths), and they are certainly not the only area. There are plenty of 30 limits which start a substantial distance before any of the hazards that they refer to and from all we know he could have been doing 84mph as he passed the 30 sign while braking hard.

Personal view is that many speed limits are too low at certain times, and I find it disturbing that those organisations that normally refuse to show any sense that this is true when they catch others will happily ignore the limits themselves.

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PostPosted: 19:00 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:

Whilst I will agree that there seems to be many different 50 zones I don't agree that there are many different 30 zones; a 30 zone will normally denote a built up area with houses, paths, driveways etc in close proximity to the road.




Just as an aside (and not taking exception to your post), there are several industrial estates in this area with 20- and 30-mph limits - yet they're miles from housing, deserted at night, have long wide roads, big grass verges between the road and the units/carparks and are well-lit too.

What if he was in one of these?



I've no problem with traffic police drivers testing new vehicles on the public road, as long as they stick to the "drive at a speed which allows you to stop in the distance which you can see to be clear" rule Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Equally there are some limits which are too high. At the crossroads at the top of the village where I live, they've only just made it a 40 rather than a NSL. If you're trying to get across the crossroads from one side, you can see about 20 yards to the right, because there's a house and a tall wall right on the corner.

Another junction in the same stretch has a nasty blind spot in it, you can't see cars coming from the left in a stretch between about 30-50 yards away. Interestingly enough, that was the junction I crashed on, perhaps aided by the car coming through there at 50+ (which I might not have seen and panicked when it appeared right on top of me). People had been complaining about trying to use those junctions with traffic going through at whatever speed they felt like and not being able to see it until the last minute. It seems my accident might have tipped the balance.

It's not hugely built up, but there is a bus stop, a pub and at least ten houses along the road. Local councils only pay attention to poor road engineering when they have KSI accidents staring at them. It seems lowering the speed limit is easier than redesigning the road properly.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

some of these "deserted" industrial estates have lots of people like myself using them during the night and can be busy with lorries, vans, cars and me coming and going from my work.
They're also full of exits on to main roads and are 30 limits for a very good reason.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

lurker wrote:
some of these "deserted" industrial estates have lots of people like myself using them during the night and can be busy with lorries, vans, cars and me coming and going from my work.
They're also full of exits on to main roads and are 30 limits for a very good reason.



No shit? Question Wink I was just making the point that people jumping on the "lynch him cos he's a traffic pig and was speeding"-bandwagon don't know all the facts about where, when and what he did, and whether or not it was sanctioned by his superiors within his section/force.

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PostPosted: 20:15 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
I was just making the point that people jumping on the "lynch him cos he's a traffic pig and was speeding"-bandwagon don't know all the facts about where, when and what he did


You try standing up in court and using that excuse:
"It was a 30 zone your honour, but a quiet one so it's alright!"

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It's either a 30 zone or it isn't. The police can't have it both ways.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

He needs to come work in Weybridge, at least they have unmarked Scooby's

He'd probably get to beat his record!
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 03 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:

It's either a 30 zone or it isn't. The police can't have it both ways.




Of course they can - how else do you expect police to be trained or to gain experience in using their equipment? They speed in unmarked training cars every day on British roads - that's both traffic police and "normal" police doing driving courses, without incident in the vast majority of cases.



I'm not saying the officer being prosecuted was in the right or the wrong, as I don't know every detail of this episode, but I do think he has a reasonable defence from what I've read so far.

I'll change my mind if it's reported that he did 84mph in a 30-limit while children and kittens played just feet away, but until then I'm not making my mind up Wink
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PostPosted: 06:19 - 04 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ Agreed. I wasn't claiming he was right, just that we don't know the facts. I know roads where speeding at that time of night would not be that big a problem for a highly trained driver.

Remember, if the evidence used against him was his own cctv then 84 would be the max speed he was caught at (not his speed as he passed a speed trap).

Silver, I'm just saying without all the facts, it doesn't seem sensible to want him to go down just because he is a policeman caught speeding.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 04 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
how else do you expect police to be trained or to gain experience in using their equipment? They speed in unmarked training cars every day on British roads - that's both traffic police and "normal" police doing driving courses, without incident in the vast majority of cases.


Under controlled situations (if possible), not individual coppers taking upon themselves to take a car for a blast. The law applies to everyone, hence the reason that it is illegal for emergency vehicles to jump red lights, despite what some people believe.

natv4 wrote:
Silver, I'm just saying without all the facts, it doesn't seem sensible to want him to go down just because he is a policeman caught speeding.


Absolutely - I agree. What I'm talking about (I suppose) is the uproar that you or I would cause if stopped doing that speed on a bike.
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