Emergency Stop on test

[FreshAL]

I have developed a habit of changing down during an emergency stop.

I'm doing the front brake, rear brake, progressively on the front, clucth in routine ok, but as soon as I pull the clutch in, my left foot clicks down a gear.

It doesn't seem to affect the stopping distance, but will it just be a minor on test or a fail?

Just wondering how much effort I need to put into training myself out of this habit.

[craigs23]

Not sure if it'll help in any way, but I tend to ride with the balls (near toes) of my feet on the pegs. Maybe it'll keep your foot further away from the gear level?

[fuzz]

Do not change down a gear on your test. This is not an emergency stop! Pull the clutch in just as you almost stall the engine, and you should have your left foot ready to place on the tarmac by this time. Get yourself out of this habit quick!
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[cunni]

First of all, there is no such thing as an Emergency Stop anymore, due to it implying panic braking, it is now called something daft like Rapid speed Reduction Exercise, or something equally as bizzare!

first of all, brake as hard as you can front and back without either of the wheels locking or sliding, otherwise it's an instant fail.

come to a halt and put which ever foot it is you are supposed to put down on the ground. If you go down the gears, great! If you can use engine braking as well, then all the better. You will not pick up any minors for this! Also, if you leave the clutch out, it shows you were engine braking. It is possibly to leave the clutch totally and even stall as a result and not gain any marks. (unless you shout dam/shit or shake your head like you fecked it up - then you'll get a bad mark!)

Just get the bike stopped as fast as you can by what ever means without locking any of the wheels!

sounds to me that you ahve this nailed mate!
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[fuzz]

[Going2fast]

[JonT]

I never had to do an emergency stop because near the start of the test I was panicking and not paying attention and didn't slow down before some lights. Some lights which then changed to red.

I did my finest emergency stop to come to a halt before the white line. I picked up a minor for awareness but then didn't have to do the E-Stop seperately

[DanceLikeAMon...]

I had exactly the same problem with emergency stops. The way my instructor got me through the test was to make me point my left foot out at 45 degrees. There's no penalty for feet position on the pegs and it makes it very easy not to change gear!

[The Old Geeza]

[krebsy]

The E-Stop kept catching me out and two things sorted it in the end. A morning on the playground relying on the front brake to stop and NOT using the rear break, just covering it with my right foot.

My tip is to change up to 3rd gear to use Max. engine braking, Close the throttle and progressively squeeze the brake lever whilst locking your arms out straight. By the time you have locked out your arms you will be able to rest your foot on the rear brake, but don't push it. The locked arms will stop your weight sliding forward (to avoid putting it onto the rear brake through your foot) and make sure you keep looking at the examiner. If you don't watch him then the bike will wobble or pitch off balance. When you are about to stop, pull in the clutch, bring her to a halt and get your left foot ONLY down.

If you pull in the clutch too early then you lose all the drive to the rear. Having the drive prevents the rear locking up if you do press slightly too hard on the back brake.

Well, it worked for me anyway...

K.
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[Slinn84]

i was always told by my instructor that you will fail if you down change during your e/stop

rubbish took my test, rode round the circut he told me to, his hand went up, throttle off, front brake on, rear brake, harder and harder, clutch in, ooops foot hit the gear lever and into first.

thought i'd failed but after the test (i passed) the examiner said it was fine

the idea behind the e/stop is to stop as quickly and safely as possable, changing gears is fine so long as u stop safely, covering the clutch will give you a minor as the examiner will assume your anticipating his actions but i doubt he will fail you.

also you can lock wheels up and still pass, so long as you let off the brakes easily then re-apply and stop safely.

my mate locked a wheel up and recovered well but thought he'd failed cos of it, as a result he didn't concentrate on the rest of his test, turned out his e/stop was fine, but he failed cos after his stop he did'nt do any life savers hehe silly boy

[Misc]

Ya, I was also told it doesn't matter if you stall as the point is just to stop, Then my other instructer said no you have to keep it from stalling

[Rookie]

Well isn't a stall a minor, so it would be best not to.

This is helpful stuff!

[fuzz]

IIRC you should stop the bike without locking either wheel and without stalling, but whether this would give you a minor or a fail I suppose is down to the examiners discretion. If you stop safely, I don't see how you can fail it.
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[JonT]

[getcarter4dyn...]

what the fuck are u lot talking about?

give it a rest!

[Misc]

Then remember to push the bike to the side, I forget this

[krebsy]

[fuzz]

You get more engine braking in a lower gear. This is because the rear wheel is trying to turn the engine. It is hard for the engine to turn the wheel in a high gear (which is why you pull away in first,) whereas it's hard for the wheel to turn the engine in a low gear i.e. more braking force.
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[Misc]

I think everyone gets told diffrent,

My instructer said also you have to make sure you don't stall (Show you have control)
My other one said (Don't matter if you stall as the object is just to stop)

I'm not looking foward to my u-turn, I can do it fine but theres the odd times when you loose balance.

[Gimboid]

As an instructor I would say:

You must make an attempt to pull in the clutch at the end, to help show (same as your U-Turn) that you have proper control of the bike, but stalling does not matter and will not cause any minors / fail, but does make your riding look tidier if your able to stop neatly AND keep it running.

Changing down is discouraged by all Instructors, and your told your going to fail for a simple reason:

- Changing Down is an automatic reaction you've already had drummed into your previous changing... slowing down > change down. part of this automatic action is to pull in the clutch.

- Changing down a gear whilst doing an emergency stop will quite often cause some students to pull their clutch in first

- Whilst pulling the clutch in early may not mean an instant fail, it will most likely get you a minor mark, but much more dangerously, with the clutch in your rear wheel has nothing trying to keep turning it, and you GREATLY increase the chance of a SKID by pulling in your clutch too early.

Many things in a bike test are just like the car test, in the "Turn in the Road" (Read politically correct 3 point turn) you dont HAVE to put your hand break on between each part, but it looks tidier and more professional if you do.

[Flip]

Can't be bothered to read all this thread but if no-one had already said it....

Dont even cover the clutch till you need to use it. If the examiner sees you covering the clutch ready, he'll ask you to do it again and you'll only get one more chance.