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byke95
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: What's a 'good' sports exhausts and what's 'dyno' all about? Reply with quote

I've just read The Doctors thread on how he's lost a lot of BHP on his CBR6. Kickstart mentioned that most sports exhaust makers don't have a clue...

So, two questions really:

1) What brands of exhaust will actually benefit your bike?

2) If you deceide to buy a aftermarket can what do you need to do in order to make sure it's working well? I hear the word dyno a lot but I'm not to sure what this means and how much it costs?
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Type_Mo
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself an Akrapovic Exhaust Thumbs Up
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You will get a small amount of extra power from a race can. Biggest advantage is that they are cheap and light.

For a decent amount of extra power then you are looking at a full exhaust system (and it is the lengths of the pipes and how they join that gives you the power, rather than the dodgy bean can on the end), and then you need one that is designed for power (plenty are just designed to replicate the original). You will need to get the bike set up for a decent sports exhaust, and you will also likely loose low down power to gain top end power.

Akrapovic seem good, and do a few other makes. But they are not cheap.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A full Yoshi made a few wonders to my bike, along with neccesary carb mods. Might follow with some dyno time if I find problems with the delivery (so far, it's way better than me).
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byke95
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full Akrapovic system and then onto a dyno, that'd be well over £1000 right? Shocked

Might just buy a Z1000 / speed triple as my nest bike and keep the standard cans on there! Razz
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is definately a cringe point when you hand your pride and joy over to cresent and see what they do to it on the dyno.

The results were stunning but i wish i handn`t watched, lol


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craigs23
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Yoshi set me back just over £200, Stage 1 Dynojet was £80 (new).
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

by the way, a dyno is a machine that calculates your engines power, in Kw or Hp, aswell as Torque levels

i assume it's the same for bikes as it is for cars, with differences.
it's 2 rollers which have senors inside them, the bikes rear wheel sits inbetween the 2 rollers and you slowly build up RPM (IN GEAR) which will spin the rollers, and figure out your power figures

hope i cleared that one up for ya
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres the output of mine to give you a feel for what they do

https://homepage.ntlworld.com/leon.clayton/bike/GSXR750K4.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

People get their sports exhausts on, with lots of loud noise, stick it on a dyno to discover that they have surprisingly lost a few horsepower on the one that the company that made the bike spent hundreds of thousands of pounds developing to be both potent and quiet. Don't get me wrong, certain systems will produce more power, as well as sound great and sticking it on (and more importantly getting it tuned) a dyno will provide good results, but don't expect instant power increases by just chucking one on.

Incidentally, when we had a dutton, the little 1300 had an extra 16hp dragged out of it just by timing and air filter adjustments.

Dyno videos. https://www.bristoldyno.com/videos/
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craigs23
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seat of my pants dyno says my exhaust/carb mods were a definate improvement - more power and torque everywhere, plus a midrange that made me think I was approaching 9k plus when infact I was just breaching 7.5 (and where the first proper kick comes in).

It's going to be a good year for biking...
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
The seat of my pants dyno says my exhaust/carb mods were a definate


For a lot of people the seat of the pants dyno is very inaccurate. Loose a load of low down power and gain a kick in the power delivery and the bike will feel more powerful even if the top end power has not changed.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:08 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeonClayton wrote:
heres the output of mine to give you a feel for what they do

https://homepage.ntlworld.com/leon.clayton/bike/GSXR750K4.jpg


That confused the hell out of me! Are they in BHP and FtLb? If so, that Dyno graph is very, very, very wrong, or i'm a friggin' idiot!

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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Looks like it is in the units you say, but the scales are very different.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:20 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol cheers, i am a friggin idiot after all then.

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craigs23
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For a lot of people the seat of the pants dyno is very inaccurate. Loose a load of low down power and gain a kick in the power delivery and the bike will feel more powerful even if the top end power has not changed.


Bike was setup after advice and recomendations from fellow Blade owners - my jet settings have been set to give an increase in midrange; and it's definately had an effect. Low down power is about the same, but revs a lot free'er and more efficently (removed the flat spot at 4k) . Haven't tried too much of the top end yet....
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

just won my scorpion can on mcn auctions!!!! £50
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

try this!


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=56295&sid=0ad05ea5e5a4aa5865db09731b66f6d8
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akrapovic
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Micron
Scorpion
a few of the ' good' make zausts, but its gonna run shite no matter what if its not set up properly.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just the scorpion can and they say no rejetting is required, i know my bike hasnt been rejetted but i cant seem to get more than 130mph out of her when i know i should get 140mph standard Confused , seems fine though rev range but didnt ride it standard so nothing to compare it to...

i may go for some dyno time summer time
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

a dyno run wont just tell you your power, it will tell you if its running to rich or LEAN, which is normally the case with race cans. get a race can on any bike and set up PROPERLY on a dyno and it will run much better. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 21 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most important thing to get right is the bikes air-fuel ratios.these need to be correct right through the rev range.
Fitted a full ti-force race exhaust,modded air box,power commander with a custom map done on a dyno and a few other bits.
power before mods were done was 155 bhp, 99ftlbs torque at rear wheel

after mods and set up on dyno 180bhp,109ftlbs torque at rear wheel.
The £150 custom map sounds expensive but the performance gains were worth every penny Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 21 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.tattoo wrote:
a dyno run wont just tell you your power, it will tell you if its running to rich or LEAN, which is normally the case with race cans. get a race can on any bike and set up PROPERLY on a dyno and it will run much better. Very Happy


Maybe.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The business end of my Muzzy:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/ZRX61/crash2004.jpg

side view:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/ZRX61/crash2001.jpg
It wasn't actually running when that pic was taken.....just breathing heavily..
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
mr.tattoo wrote:
a dyno run wont just tell you your power, it will tell you if its running to rich or LEAN, which is normally the case with race cans. get a race can on any bike and set up PROPERLY on a dyno and it will run much better. Very Happy


Maybe.


No maybe about it, mr tattoo is absolutely right.
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