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PostPosted: 12:52 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: copper who got off for speeding, hasn't got off any more. Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/shropshire/4669594.stm

police dude who got done for driving at 159 and got off has had his aquittal overturned by the high court.

bwahaha..

serves him right

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PostPosted: 12:55 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am just off out to " familiarise myself with the vehicle".

That's the best.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure. While it does seem he was taking the mickey, legally he was not commiting the offence of speeding as he is exempt if keeping to the limits would interfere with his duties (dangerous driving is different).

In some ways I would prefer him to have been found innocent, and hopefully for it to force some kind of rethink over when it is OK for anyone to speed. Trouble is that although I can see the first happening I cannot see a rethink happening.

Suspect this will end his career anyway.

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think it's ridiculous you can prosecute anyone for speeding without taking context into account.

Even murder is put into context (Diminished responibility anyone?)
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guidelines allow for officers to exceed limits, but never to drive at more than 120mph.


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PostPosted: 13:27 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly (Devils advocate) the reason why they don't take speeding into context is because some people should never of been given the rights to drive a car, let alone decide what is a 'safe' situation to speed in.

Still makes no sense to me, I don't see anything wrong with 120mph+ on a long stretch of empty motorway/dual carridgeway.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guidelines allow for officers to exceed limits, but never to drive at more than 120mph.




One assumes that this means the law recognises that modern cars are capable of achieving such speeds safely, assuming they are driven with car.

While I appreciate that a police driver is better trained than most of us, it surely invalidates the idea that pure speed is dangerous. If a police driver can be allowed to drive at 120mph when he feels like it, surely the rest of us can be trusted to drive at 90mph on a nice straight motorway?
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm cynical but anyone want to bet me 1p that he'll get the minimum 3 points and a £60 fine (unless he's sent on a driving awareness course instead Rolling Eyes)
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

copper or no copper if he was off duty and not in pursuit of anyone then he should get done for speeding like everyone else would do , needing to test out the car as its new what the hell so does that mean its ok for me to take out my new bike and top it out at 135mph to practise incase i every get chased by a homocidle maniac who is intent on running me over down the motorway
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

One assumes that this means the law recognises that modern cars are capable of achieving such speeds safely, assuming they are driven with car.

While I appreciate that a police driver is better trained than most of us, it surely invalidates the idea that pure speed is dangerous. If a police driver can be allowed to drive at 120mph when he feels like it, surely the rest of us can be trusted to drive at 90mph on a nice straight motorway?


Surely the more pressing idea is that if you were caught speeding, you could race off at 150 and they wouldn't be able to follow. And if they did, you could use it as defence in court.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

so all we have to do if we're being pulled over by the peelers, is not drop below 120mph and we will outrun them Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenny wrote:
copper or no copper if he was off duty and not in pursuit of anyone then he should get done for speeding like everyone else would do


Wasn't he on duty?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No he was off duty.

Just went out for a play before work.


I read a good comparison on another forum....

Would it be ok for a firearms officer to go down the local wood on a Sunday evening and let off a few mags to 'familarize' himself with the weapon??
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he was off duty they should throw the book at him. If he was working i'd think differently. if he was testing the car in a legitimate way it would have been in work time.

He saw a new toy and went for a play. I don't blame him, cos i know a lot of us would do the same. He just got caught.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

He only got caught as he was daft enough to make a video of it and let it get into the wrong hands!
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering how he got caught at it, what a blimin fool Rolling Eyes

If they do need to test the capabilites of a car it should be done, like everyone else, off the road on a track or dissused runway.. if not they hould expect the legal ass kicking that going double the limmit will incur...

The only reason anyone makes a video is to show off, thats no way arround that.

And another thing, is he a traffic cop? otherwise as far as i'm aware they dont get any more training than anyone, they need a clean licence and thats it, traffic police are trained to a high standard (especially motorcycle rideing police)
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echoing kickstart a bit here, I would have liked to see him found innocent, just to bite back at the anti speeding campaign a little bit.

He was going very fast, but he was in control of the vehicle. It wasn't a dangerous situation. I'm sure this will "serve him right", but while many people here are seeing it as serving him right for abusing his powers, to the anti speeding lot its serving him right for speeding.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, it's not the 150+ that bothers me, it was the 60+ in the 30 that bothered me.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi - You quite happily admit to ignoring any rule that you feel is un-warranted, so how can you complain about a copper doing the same?

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PostPosted: 13:04 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

tribal_tiger wrote:
He saw a new toy and went for a play. I don't blame him, cos i know a lot of us would do the same. He just got caught.


yea but the point is that he got caught and he is using his job as an excuse to get away with it even tho there was no real reason for going tho's sorts of speed's in the first place.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Worth noting that he has not been found guilty. They have just sent the case back for trial. Reading between the lines it seems that they are just saying that his defence was not legally sound.

Suspect that at the retrial they will still throw out the speeding conviction (as legally he is allowed to break the speed limit), and there will be some fancy footwork with the dangerous driving conviction. They will need to prove that his driving was actually dangerous, which could have interesting results (especially considering this recent verdict).

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think it takes the piss, as far as I am concerned the officer in question was whithin his duty Rolling Eyes

I bet this all come about from a number of the spako public throwing a fit.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NBO wrote:
As far as I am concerned the officer in question was within his duty


Was he on duty?

NBO wrote:
I bet this all come about from a number of the spako public throwing a fit.


NBO, I think it has something to do with the spako public, like me, being done for over 400 notes due to a little over the speed limit, good conditions or not. Thats taking the piss!

If you aren’t a new rider/driver like me, its obviously the £60 and points……

Where as in this case it was a copper who was travelling at a speed many of us will never reach on the UK roads and he got away with this ‘crime’ because he is an officer who is a good driver.

‘He is crème de le crème of drivers’, I’m sorry but that’s not an excuse, I’m a bloody good rider but speed is speed as I have been told on so many occasions by the filth.
159mph is a little quick and even above the advance drivers law.

The Judge must have been laid twice in one night by to different rent boys if he was swayed by “Familiarising himself with the car”. Fuck off.

Speeding kills as they say, we can only hope…….
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your view killa, it's good to read a view from the other side of the fence.

I do have a worry about yourself considering yourself as a
"bloody good rider"..

In times past from the reading of your profile you have crashed xx number of bikes and been banned already? Not exactly what I would consider a good rider especially within six years.

if I'm a little off par with my thoughts i appologise and take back any wrongs..
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NBO wrote:
Thanks for your view killa, it's good to read a view from the other side of the fence.


It’s hard being robbed blind when you try your best to drive like your gran, at the same time try and get places on time.
Police it seems can have a bit of fun, as this guy wasn’t in a chase, nor was he getting away from something.
159mph is ridiculous, I was told once 48 in a 30 was ridiculous. Rolling Eyes
Why isn’t every case of speeding dealt with like this and not by R2D2?

NBO wrote:
I do have a worry about yourself considering yourself as a
"bloody good rider"..


I believe I am a good rider, I do not take too many risks I am not in a rush all the time.
I don’t ride bikes for pure pleasure I’ve got to get to work etc, it is my only form of transport, if I doubted my riding all the time worrying about having a smash I’d do just that.

NBO wrote:
In times past from the reading of your profile you have crashed xx number of bikes and been banned already? Not exactly what I would consider a good rider especially within six years.


Not banned, revoked after being a victim of an automated system that doesn’t care.
Why care about this prick, he speeds to test the car.

I know someone who has done advanced rider courses and a guy who has done defensive driving, he has had smashes, and by no means are they better than me if you go by crash record.
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