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PostPosted: 17:26 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Taking test with no lessons... Reply with quote

Hi,

Tad on the skint side at moment, following a thread I've got in the Workshop...

Anyone taken their 33BHP/DAS and passed with no lessons?

I've done 4000 miles since July, and am confident when it comes to tests/exams (Pissed on my theory test) and as far as I know I'm a good, safe, smooth rider.

As I have no cash, I'm seriously thinking of just trying anyway (Can afford £55, can't afford £480 for DAS)

What are my chances? Anyone point out what the assesor is going to be looking for on the day?

Thanks,

Toby
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in the middle of training atm, got my test tommorrow.

I've been riding around on my CBT for a year now, and going on the 2 sessions today has shown me how shit of a rider i have been.

If you're as good as you think you are, read the books, maybe get a couple of hours training, then go for your test. Things you will need to know are the procedures you go through on your emergancy stop, and u-turn. Junctions, roundabout ect you just use the O.S.M.

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PostPosted: 17:37 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my test with 0 hours training, passed fine.

Go for it.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I remember off of my CBT.

Emergency Stop:

Throttle off, Rear Brake, Front Brake, Both Brakes Harder, Come to stop, Pull Clutch.

U Turn:

Roll a couple of metres, Right lifesaver, perform UTurn (looking straight where you want to go, not kerb).

Not too sure what you do afterwards though? Do you swich off engine/come to stop/wait for instruction?
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Throttle off, Rear Brake, Front Brake, Both Brakes Harder, Come to stop, Pull Clutch.


Throttle off
Front brake
Front brake harder
Both brakes
Clutch in at last moment
Stop
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was taught slightly different to that..
u- turn observations then move, when u-turn complete observations again...
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

brava210 wrote:
U- turn observations then move, when u-turn complete observations again...


Observatio fron and then rear, front then rear, pull away, look to opposite kerb and round you go. Once finished, neutral and wait for instruction
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may have the ability to pass but you need to know all the procedures also, the format of the test, what is expected of you etc etc.

I played an instructor at pool in last weeks league match and he was telling me things people fail for commonly. Some of them were stupid, like doing a U turn and coming to a stop with their left foot on the curb. Putting the wrong foot down at junctions. Doing life savers until their head nearly falls off. Might be worth looking for some kind of literature that will outline the correct way to do things, the trouble being that the 'correct way' according to the DVLA is not always the best way in my opinion. Im sure a lot of people will agree riding a foot from the curb is ridiculous and unsafe, but your tought this and then go out and ride in the real world. It took me ages to just get that hammered into me as I was riding a foot from the white line in the middle of the road.

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PostPosted: 18:03 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
You may have the ability to pass but you need to know all the procedures also, the format of the test, what is expected of you etc etc.

I played an instructor at pool in last weeks league match and he was telling me things people fail for commonly. Some of them were stupid, like doing a U turn and coming to a stop with their left foot on the curb. Putting the wrong foot down at junctions. Doing life savers until their head nearly falls off. Might be worth looking for some kind of literature that will outline the correct way to do things, the trouble being that the 'correct way' according to the DVLA is not always the best way in my opinion. Im sure a lot of people will agree riding a foot from the curb is ridiculous and unsafe, but your tought this and then go out and ride in the real world. It took me ages to just get that hammered into me as I was riding a foot from the white line in the middle of the road.

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You're supposed to ride a foot from the kerb? I always ride 2/3s into my lane.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
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Emergency Stop:
Throttle off, Rear Brake, Front Brake, Both Brakes Harder, Come to stop, Pull Clutch.


Emergency Stop:
Throttle off
Front brake
Front brake harder
Both brakes
Clutch in at last moment
Stop


After that I'm being taught:

.....stop
Lifesaver each direction
Indicate to the left
Shuffle the bike to the left

Looks like it varies though.

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indicate to the left


You've just stopped in an emergency in the middle of the road, I was told that there it is not necessary to indicate, but yes, look both ways before moving (just like car test)
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

tip:

Put your foot on your rear brake so it looks like your using it, but don't actually use it!

It will take you about 10-20% longer to stop, but the examiner won't notice this, so long as he sees your forks dive he knows your braking hard. Its best not to touch the rear brake as a lapse in concentration can cause you to lock it, which is an instant fail.

Practise you shoulder checks and U turn as they are the only 2 things you are likely to instantly fail on.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NC30UK wrote:
tip:

Put your foot on your rear brake so it looks like your using it, but don't actually use it!

It will take you about 10-20% longer to stop, but the examiner won't notice this, so long as he sees your forks dive he knows your braking hard. Its best not to touch the rear brake as a lapse in concentration can cause you to lock it, which is an instant fail.

Practise you shoulder checks and U turn as they are the only 2 things you are likely to instantly fail on.


I didn't think a locked back wheel was a fail providing you released and applied the brake again.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't think a locked back wheel was a fail providing you released and applied the brake again.


Hmmm Thinking

A skid is a fail Thumbs Down
If you pump the breaks, and it locks momentarily, maybe Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get at least one lesson in. It's not to do with your abilities, it's little technicalities that you need to know for the test.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont you have to pay to hire a bike and a instructor to take you to the test centre too?

Just curious because I want to ride the 125 for a while then do maybe 1 day training and test the next day to try keep the cost down. Never thought of just jumping in. Good luck.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rit wrote:
Wont you have to pay to hire a bike and a instructor to take you to the test centre too?

Use your own bike for the A2(33bhp) test.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Rit wrote:
Wont you have to pay to hire a bike and a instructor to take you to the test centre too?

Use your own bike for the A2(33bhp) test.


As a learner you can only ride with L pates on a bike <125cc. The DAS and A2 test involves a bigger bike, therefore will have to be accompanied by an instructor
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:


A skid is a fail Thumbs Down
If you pump the breaks, and it locks momentarily, maybe Thumbs Up


No if you lock but regain control, they can see that you know how to control the bike in those situations, so most won't fail you.

Also remember the u turn is about slow speed control as much as the u turn itself, so don't be in a rush to do it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also remember the u turn is about slow speed control as much as the u turn itself, so don't be in a rush to do it.


The examiner will stop you and ask you to push the bike across the road. Remember to llook both ways whilst pushing.

Now that you are facing the wrong way, he will ask you to do the U turn. Take a couple of deep breaths and its in your own time. Obviously if you have'nt moved in 5 minutes then he may say something Embarassed

The other alternative is to do the E stop and then U turn after if they are a bastard
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
As a learner you can only ride with L pates on a bike <125cc. The DAS and A2 test involves a bigger bike, therefore will have to be accompanied by an instructor

Nope, for A2 test your bike has to be 121-125 cc and able to do 100 kmph (62.5 mph).

I passed without doing any lesson on my third attempt and don't think taking lessons would have made me pass quicker.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Whosthedaddy wrote:
As a learner you can only ride with L pates on a bike <125cc. The DAS and A2 test involves a bigger bike, therefore will have to be accompanied by an instructor

Nope, for A2 test your bike has to be 121-125 cc and able to do 100 kmph (62.5 mph).

I passed without doing any lesson on my third attempt and don't think taking lessons would have made me pass quicker.


Well I never Embarassed
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took one or two on my bike and one on the test bike. Just enough to be shown the route and get any bad habbits stamped on.

All depends how much lessons are in your area.....
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did no official training after my cbt and had about the same amount of experience as you. I looked at it like this:

Test = £50 (ish)
3 tests = £150

1 days training = £100
1 test = £50
Total = £150

I practiced around where I was going to do my test on the weekends before and spent all my time on the bike practicing everything to the tee....

I passed second time round therefore.... saving at least £50!!

I got my dad and a mate of mine to help me practice, the second time round I did it all myself.

And I got to do it all on my own bike (NSR), I Think thats an achievement in the end... they don't exactly have the best turning circles do they?! I had to have my hand held right against the tank.

Must admit, it was nice to get home and jump on the R6 though Very Happy



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PostPosted: 22:37 - 21 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said by the rest of them, if you get an hours instruction beforehand it ensures that you have ironed out any imperfections in your riding style and will also get you used to having someone behind you, watching your every move.

After all, nerves are what cause problems to most riders who fail.
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