Hard Luggage?

[Adam_P]

Does anyone know if you can get hard luggage for a Fazer 600 (04 model)? Or where the best places to look would be?

I'm sorely tempted to do some riding around Europe during the summer and fancy getting some panniers that I could make sure were firmly attached (and possibly more waterproof and solid) that soft ones.

But I don't think there is any available. Has anyone seen anything that would do the job?

Ta
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[NSR Mick]

My dad uses GIVI stuff, the plus point being, if you change your bike you just buy a different fixing kit.

Try this link mate.

https://www.givi.co.uk/per_la_tua_moto.asp?co_id=2526&lang=en
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[Adam_P]

Thanks, I'd just stumbled onto the Givi stuff, unfortunately, I can't see any prices for it and the dealership link on their website seems to not work for me. I'll have to search for it on the web elsewhere.

Do you happen to know what your dad paid for it Mick?
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[NSR Mick]

Not sure how much he paid, I dont think its cheap stuff but its good.

Try here they do GIVI stuff. https://www.bykebitz.co.uk/acatalog/Givi.html
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[Nath]

[EuropeanNC30R...]

Cool, they used ammo boxes on Terra Circa iirc.

[Nath]

They are a sensible option really. Strong (designed to safely carry live ammunition), watertight, cheap, and pretty damned cool as well .

Okay, so a lot of people wouldn't be prepared to put in the work making up racks for them, but if you can they are certainly a good solution to the big touring luggage dilemma. I wouldn't really want to go touring Europe again with soft paniers to be honest.
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[Adam_P]

And how much do it all weigh???

I'm only on a 600 and I'm a fat enough bastard as it is. Carrying half of her majesty's marine corps unwanted around on the back of the bike wouldn't make it a great trip...

Nice work though, am impressed.
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[Nath]

It's actually a very lightweight setup. Those pictures are probably deceiving as the boxes are only small (11" long), hence why I've gone for two on each side. The racks are also fairly light, as I used 3x25mm flatbar since the strength and rigidity come from the design rather than the steel. There is no single 'crucial' join or piece, so even if a weld was to crack or break off the racks would still hold together.

The problem with this luggage is that there isn't a huge amount of carrying capacity, and with each side divided into two you lose the ability to take large objects. However I shall be using a really large ammo crate as a sort of topbox, in order to take camping gear etc. Now those large boxes are heavy, and I would certainly think twice before using them as panniers (though some people do).


This is all for my cb550 which is an old twin-shock bike which doesn't use a bolt on subframe, so in reality I could probably put as much weight on the back as I liked (particularly if I was willing to weld onto the frame). But those panniers would probably bolt onto even a cg125 without problems - They really are very light.
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[feef]

givi wing rack with panniers and top-box will set you back (i'm guessing) around £500... as that's what was quoted for the Givi set for my FJR.. since the wingrack is available for differnt bikes, I can't imagine there would be THAT huge a variance in price between bikes..

it's worthwhile going for the wingrack and top-box, as that's the most immediately useful, and flexible option. you could get a top-box only, without a wing-rack, but then when you Did want panniers, you'd have to junk the mounting plat and buy the full rack. if you have the wing-rack to start with, it might cost more to start out, but at least then you only need to buy the panniers.

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[krag]

FWIW, I've got a pair of soft panniers that are ok for weekends but saw these at MnPs on the weekend and really tempted to get them for a longer Europe tour in the summer:

https://www.gpmcc.co.uk/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F789804&rnd=7162111&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=buffalo_slipstream_pannier&cat=luggage_panniers&catstr=HOME:luggage:luggage_panniers

They're pretty big in the flesh and have a semi-rigid outer making them generally 'nicer' than soft panniers. Worth a look?

[map]

Any hard luggage is likely to be expensive unless you fall lucky and pick up some 2nd hand kit.

The mounting kit is the must have, then you pick the luggage. However, each manufacturer's mounting kit only takes their luggage so you need to pick.

Givi is a good brand, but so in Nonfango. Another brand that may be cheaper because it has a lower profile is Krauser.

Cheapest option is probably to buy mail order (internet).

On a sports bike you'll just need 2 panniers. A top box will upset the handling. For stuff not in the panniers best bet one of the waterproof stuff sacks and bungie it across the back (either across or lengthways, depends on the fit).

HTH
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[pjb120]

hiya, bought a full givi wingrack + pannier set (top + side boxes) for my fazer 600 off ebay. Set me back about £350. I also had to buy a fitting kit, so it will fit onto a fazer, which should set you back about £60 (have a look at mail order). Should serve me well in europe this summer

[natv4]

Prices from dealer for GIVI (top box and 2 panniers)

fixing kits - £60
Wingrack - £130
Givi cases - £120 each

So for the lot expect around £550

Saying that, I spent 3 months looking on ebay and got 3 brand new givi monokey boxes for £190 (german dealer). I added a fitting kit (£60) and got a wingrack from ebay for £80.
Total - £330

I would say hard luggage is worth the extra as it means you don't have to fuss when you stop somewhere. Just leave it safely (as it can be) locked to the bike. If you have soft luggage, you tend to be more wary of people stealing things. Its just a pain when you find somewhere nice and then feel you have to carry everything with you or stay within eyesight of the bike.

I would just keep watching ebay and you will eventually find a bargain.
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[Stu_666]

I was looking at this thread and wondered if anyone knows anywhere that does hard luggage for a Ninja 636 (05 model with underseat exhaust). I quite fancy popping over to France (and maybe down to Spain if my buns don't go numb by the distance ) but don't really fancy using soft luggage. Don't mind a tank bag as I've got one of them and they're easy enough to carry around with you, but I reckon soft luggage is too tempting to thieves. I've looked on the internet a bit but have'nt come across anything.

I know its my fault for buying a f*cking unpractical sportsbike but I'd have thought someone out there would do something for it.

Prize for the first bod who can find some

[EuropeanNC30R...]

You mean like this....

[colin1]

i doubt that theives will nick stuff from soft luggage in most places, just keep your valuables on you or in an easily removable tank bag
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[Nath]

I'd have to disagree with that. Touring Spain, I often left my bike unattended with all the luggage on it. Mostly when looking for things in towns and cities (like a shop to buy food, or whilst looking for a place to stay), but also sometimes whilst sightseeing (castles and the like).

I left the bike for several hours in a few big cities (Paris, Bilboa, San Sebastian) without any problems, though that is not to say I didn't worry about having to leave it. At the end of the day, you will not enjoy your trip as much if you refuse to leave your bike parked up with the luggage on it.


Bare in mind though, that on the continent there are a lot more bike parking bays often right at the most busy parts of the cities. In Paris, I parked my bike up less than 100m walk from the Arc de Triumph.
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[feef]

[Black Knight]

Hard luggage can be quite reasonable if you're careful about buying.

I've bought....


Givi Rack + Plate + fitting kit £70

5 Givi boxes ( 2 without keys) £20

Kappa wingrack + indicators + 2 top plates + fitting kit + 42L box £100 fitted!

Recently sold a rack, plate and fitting kit for £95
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[natv4]

I'd go with Nath on this one, its just less worry to leave things locked to the bike. Also I tend to cover ground quickly at times. I like to stop and wonder around, even though my next campsite is a 100 miles away.

It just adds options.

As Black Knight pointed out, it doesn't have to be expensive.

I did the first bike ride with soft luggage and as Feef says, its possible, I just thought it was worth the extra money to have the convenience of being able to jump off the bike and do as I please.
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[McGee]

Nath what do they look like on the bike ?
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[Nath]

I quite pleased with them actually. Give the bike a slight "military" look. However I made the racks for the left hand side about 2" lower than the right side I may try and fix it, or alternatively stick a small box ontop of that side to store my chain in.
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[McGee]

That looks ace mate

Gives that russian army look
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