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PostPosted: 12:53 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: independant police complaints commision Reply with quote

has anybody had any dealings with this organisation,
i need to make a complaint regarding the police not attending a grade one 999 call. Are these the right people to speak to regarding this matter, or should i just forget about it.
has anybody been in this situation were you were being assaulted and somebody nearby has phoned the police and they have not attended, or have attended but not in a timely manner. any advice or information would be much appreciated

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PostPosted: 13:41 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it you've already had a read of the IPCC site to check?

Haven't had any dealings so the link is all I can offer.

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PostPosted: 13:57 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was punched in the face they came out and stayed with us, instead of going to get the offender who was walking up the road away from them.

Also told me and the GF that we might as well stay in and watch DVD's...
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to them and checked thier site and downloaded the form. The gentleman said that not turning up to 999 calls is a bit of a `grey `area as far as they were concerned as they tend to deal with complaints of harrasment or police violence or whatever. As the complaint isnt against an officer i may have trouble.
which stinks because i cant claim for crininal injuries because im a convicted criminal i cant complain about the police lack of response because its not covered in thier charter to the ipcc.
But what i do know is that they have a grading system of sorts for 999 calls grade 1 being get there in 3-5 mins being a full emergency. i have been told by a person who works in the control room that the call was grade one and they shoulkd have been there.
whats the point in calling the police if they wont come im not talking about burglary im talking about violent crime
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

scampypants wrote:
...not turning up to 999 calls is a bit of a `grey `area ...

The police have target response times to meet (everyone say thank-you to Tony Blair). Can you find out about the Police Authority that's responsible for overseeing the force (sorry, police service - when did they start calling criminals 'customers'?) and make a complaint to them? e.g. Merseyside police authority has this site with contact info.

You could also write directly to the chief constable. You'll probably get a pre-written letter fobbing you off but at least it'll be on the record (send it registered post and keep copies).

There's always a letter to the press as well. Just don't make it sound too much like a moan, keep to the facts. Local rags are usually desperate for something to fill the pages. If you're very lucky some journalist might be keeping a file on 999 response times for an article.

IMO people in the UK don't complain enough, that is complain to the right people rather than just having a gripe and moan with friends/family/workmates.

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PostPosted: 14:25 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

over here the police would not attend cause they just say its a domestic all the time. thats their excuse.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill try that next, i live in the mersey area so that info should help me.
This has happened so many times maybe there should be sticky on this site for complaints to the police, various police authoritys so on, coz it seems people have had problems in the past.
Can the police be sued for negligence because if they had turned up in the alloted time this wouldnt have happened.
and one nice letter isnt gonna unfracture my cheekbones fix my glasses and enable to sit down without having to hold my balls. Never mind the time wasted for x rays hospital so on so forth.
did someone mention something on this forum once, about a device which emits a noise that stops chavs hanging around parks ? i need one for outside my work
an icant feed the ducks at the moment niether
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI this site has interview with Merseyside chief constable, dated 24 October 2005.
Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe wrote:
...response times to urgent requests is 90% of urgent calls in 10 minutes...Police service has a simple task - reduce crime, arrest offenders and help people in emergencies....


Usuall quoting things back makes people take notice, as shows you've done some research.

Hope your injuries mend ok and soon.

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was in Warrington, police were there in about 3/4 minutes but wouldn't leave the scene to go get the offenders who were still walking into the distance.

Where abouts in Merseyside are you?
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i came off my bike last the police came over wheni was on side of the road and asked if i was ok and then left, didnt take details or anything. i could have been drunk or had no insurance and they didnt care.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time tell them your a black muslim and there will be over faster than you can say "positive discrimination".
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
when i came off my bike last the police came over wheni was on side of the road and asked if i was ok and then left, didnt take details or anything. i could have been drunk or had no insurance and they didnt care.


That's because you're a female road user and also blonde, it's blatantly obvious why you were on the floor. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you go into the main police station in your area and ask fr the duty Sargeant as you want to make a formal complaint.
If you cant be bothered to leave the house you could ring up the professional standards department and make the complaint to them. Every force has one.

Some things to think of before you ring up.
Who phoned the police and what did they say?
Were the offenders still there and were you being assaulted at the time?
Did the caller leave contact details?

Remember it's not the police's fault you were assaulted and if you want them to do aything about it be nice Very Happy

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:
...it's not the police's fault...and if you want them to do aything about it be nice...

Yes, good idea. You don't want to upset their feelings do you. Please don't hint that they should be doing what they're paid for, they'll just sulk. Very sensitive are the police, it's part of the selection process.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
when i came off my bike last the police came over wheni was on side of the road and asked if i was ok and then left, didnt take details or anything. i could have been drunk or had no insurance and they didnt care.


My friend slid off his bike infront of me and a police car saw it happen the officer looked at my mate then just drove off.

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 22 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: independant police complaints commision Reply with quote

scampypants wrote:
has anybody had any dealings with this organisation,
i need to make a complaint regarding the police not attending a grade one 999 call. Are these the right people to speak to regarding this matter, or should i just forget about it.
has anybody been in this situation were you were being assaulted and somebody nearby has phoned the police and they have not attended, or have attended but not in a timely manner. any advice or information would be much appreciated

regards

scampypants


My advice? , forget about it , it might seem a nice idea to complain but nothing will come of it other than negative things.

for a start the IPCC never ever find cops wrong:

examples?

- a leaked report blames nobody for Jean Charles de menzes

-The shooting of that man with a table leg in a carrier bag

-the cop who picked up a chav who was doing nothing wrong illegal or abusive and threw him in a bin.



Also the fact that the IPCC is generally chock full of excops , who will invariably protect each other , and being the target of police harrassment isn't exactly going to be great for your life is it?.


And before you ask , I called 999 once after a huge mob turned up outside my house and decided to throw rocks , after I snapped and turned on a chav. Did the cops come , did they hell.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 23 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had been told things like that previously, thats why i was asking if anybody had complained, this was the same situation i was working late at my fathers office doing a bit of overtime (call me greedy) and a gang of youths were pelting the place with bricks after shouting at them i chased them off round a corner were there was more of them waiting for me and i got jumped on. Im not a fighter but i think i should stand up for myself.
Ive been round since with a few of my friends and gave the youths a good frightening, not hurt them just scared them a lot coz its not just me who has had problems with these youths but most of the people who live round there. They are all scared to speak out for the fear of getting thier windows broken. most of the people in community are old and a bit intimidated so i think i did the right thing.
if anything happens like this again im not going to bother with the police just sort it out with my friends like i should have done in the first place
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 23 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: independant police complaints commision Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


-the cop who picked up a chav who was doing nothing wrong illegal or abusive and threw him in a bin.




Surely you cant begrudge him that.

Besides 'not abusive' from a chav is spitting at you and when you turn round to ask them who did it they are sweet as pie.

Fucking cowards.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 23 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: independant police complaints commision Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:

Surely you cant begrudge him that.

Besides 'not abusive' from a chav is spitting at you and when you turn round to ask them who did it they are sweet as pie.

Fucking cowards.



but does that mean its OK for police to get away with anything? , police often do get away with all kinds of shit , you should see how many around mancs abuse their blue lights , you ride a bit further along and you see the same van parked up illegally at a chippy or a sandwich shop ,

or the way that mobile phone laws don't seem to apply to them.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested in making a complaint even though a member of my family is involved in the police he told me to go for things like this
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