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greenmeanie
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: downsizing? Reply with quote

ay up ppl. basically i am thinking of downsizing my bike. i currently ride a bandit 6 and its a v nice bike but ever since ive got my car im gettin more and more paranoid about riding it. Basically cuz its not restricted and i dont have any certs for it. i am just terrified of getting pulled on it and the coppers finding out, because i already have 3 points im sure i would lose my license which would mean, car, bike, job, life gone. and although my 2 years is up in december, i want something i can ride on and chill out abit knowing im not doing anything illegal. i know some of u will say why dont u just restrict it but too be honest i hated my er5 being restricted. it simply does the engine no good and it would be a shame to knacker this one as it is a lovely bike.

if i was to downsize i want a sportsbike and basically im thinking of an rs125 if anyones interested in a swap dont hesitate to let me know. cheers. Thumbs Up Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How exactly do you think the police would find out if they pulled you over? Unless you were doing 130 they can't find out unless they dyno it. Still if your license means that much that it could cost you everything, maybe its for the best Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

they could give me a producer and like i sed i dont have any restriction certificates for it. to be honest my license does mean loads to me. i have a 40 mile round trip to work every day and my a 25 mile round trip to my girlfriends. i couldnt manage without it. i really love rs125s my best mate has one and its such a laugh. plus i love 2 smokes Mr. Green Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you get a restictor kit for your current bike?
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dunno it just sorta rubs against the grain to pay £200 for four washers and a bit of paper, especially when i only need them till december. plus i just fancy a change really. i know i must sound wierd to wanna downsize so much and i cant really explain it but ive always wanted an rs125 maybe even a mito.. its just summat about em that draws me 2 em..
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could offer piece of mind with that little piece of paper you get with the 'kit' though? Did for me.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure even the rs125 is still illegal on a 33bhp restricted licence because of the power to weight ratio, dont quote me on that though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

matty8887 wrote:
Im sure even the rs125 is still illegal on a 33bhp restricted licence because of the power to weight ratio, dont quote me on that though. Thumbs Up


Power to weight doesnt come into it, 33bhp is 33bhp whether in a shopping trolley or a tank.

EDIT:Fine, I'm wrong.


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PostPosted: 21:42 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

greenmeanie wrote:
i dunno it just sorta rubs against the grain to pay £200 for four washers and a bit of paper, especially when i only need them till december. plus i just fancy a change really. i know i must sound wierd to wanna downsize so much and i cant really explain it but ive always wanted an rs125 maybe even a mito.. its just summat about em that draws me 2 em..


Just get the washers for free of a generous biker (I bet you could find one within a week), fit them yourself and put it on a dyno, £40 tops mate. Then, you're legal and have nothing to worry about.

Quite whether the dyno print out will stand for restriction I don't know, I had no proof of restriction when my friend got pulled on my bike and they're trying to do him for having no license (same as me, on restricted license). Got court in 10 days time. For the sake of not being bothered by the police, I'd get a dyno print out regardless, showing 33bhp compliance.

As for wanting a change, try a restricted sv650. Mine is 33bhp at the moment and it's fantastic. Teaches you a lot about cornering. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looked at dvla to confirm my thoughts and i am indeed correct, power to weight ratio is 0.16kw/kg.

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Riders under 21

A learner motorcycle rider under 21 has the option to take two types of test:

subcategory A1 light motorcycle which allows you to ride motorcycles up to 125cc (11kw/14.6bhp), or

the standard category A which allows you to ride any motorcycle with a power output of up to 25kW (33bhp) and a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg. You will be entitled to ride larger powered motorcycles after 2 years as a full motorcycle licence holder.


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PostPosted: 21:59 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

matty8887 wrote:
Just looked at dvla to confirm my thoughts and i am indeed correct, power to weight ratio is 0.16kw/kg.

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Riders under 21

A learner motorcycle rider under 21 has the option to take two types of test:

subcategory A1 light motorcycle which allows you to ride motorcycles up to 125cc (11kw/14.6bhp), or

the standard category A which allows you to ride any motorcycle with a power output of up to 25kW (33bhp) and a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg. You will be entitled to ride larger powered motorcycles after 2 years as a full motorcycle licence holder.



I can't be arsed to do the math to check, but you're not assuming the RS125 makes 33bhp are you? apologies if its a dumb question, what power are you assuming it makes?

greenmeanie, seriously don't swap it in! your so gonna regret it once your restriction ends, bite the bullet and get it restricted for now if you're so worried Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they make around 28bhp. Somebody did the math before and im sure it was over the power to weight ratio, maybe kickstart will know Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure BWFC4eva86 (marc) will trade you his CBR125 for your bandit , give him a buzz , sheffield ain't far from Bolton.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Quite whether the dyno print out will stand for restriction I don't know, I had no proof of restriction when my friend got pulled on my bike and they're trying to do him for having no license (same as me, on restricted license). Got court in 10 days time. For the sake of not being bothered by the police, I'd get a dyno print out regardless, showing 33bhp compliance.


You don't legally need any proof (although an insurance company might ask for it as a condition of giving you insurance). There is certainly no such thing as an official restriction certificate. In court, if he pleads not guilty, it is up to the prosecution to prove your friend's guilt. I would expect them to want to dyno the bike and show it is more than 33 bhp.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 15 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

matty8887 wrote:
No they make around 28bhp. Somebody did the math before and im sure it was over the power to weight ratio, maybe kickstart will know Thumbs Up


It is very close, depending on whose figures you use for power and weight (dry weight is quoted at 115kg, weight on frame plate is 140kg).

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PostPosted: 00:50 - 16 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
instigator wrote:
Quite whether the dyno print out will stand for restriction I don't know, I had no proof of restriction when my friend got pulled on my bike and they're trying to do him for having no license (same as me, on restricted license). Got court in 10 days time. For the sake of not being bothered by the police, I'd get a dyno print out regardless, showing 33bhp compliance.


You don't legally need any proof (although an insurance company might ask for it as a condition of giving you insurance). There is certainly no such thing as an official restriction certificate. In court, if he pleads not guilty, it is up to the prosecution to prove your friend's guilt. I would expect them to want to dyno the bike and show it is more than 33 bhp.


Bike was sold a week after. It was arranged beforehand. My word against theirs. We'll see. Should be dropped imo.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 16 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell the operator to fiddle the drum setings or not fully open the throttle so your dyno printout stays under 33bhp.

or take off two of the spark plug leads.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 16 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Mr Z said, find a friendly dyno man... or

failing that i got a producer for the restriction cert a couple months ago, All i took into paddington green nick (supposedly highly secure/professional) was a letter (on headed paper) from my mechanic stating that he had fitted the carb washers (included part numbers) on whatever date... and that was it. TBH the person you produce to at the local nick is very unlikely to even know the law surrounding bikes, let alone the quite frankly confusing (to an outsider) rules around 33bhp restrictors... But i suppose it is still a risk and if you arent willing to take it, dont.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 16 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDonUK wrote:
failing that i got a producer for the restriction cert a couple months ago, All i took into paddington green nick (supposedly highly secure/professional) was a letter (on headed paper) from my mechanic stating that he had fitted the carb washers (included part numbers) on whatever date...


There is no legal requirement for a restriction certificate, and nothing official about the certificates that are given out with the restriction kits.

Well thought out piece of legislation.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:36 - 17 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
TheDonUK wrote:
failing that i got a producer for the restriction cert a couple months ago, All i took into paddington green nick (supposedly highly secure/professional) was a letter (on headed paper) from my mechanic stating that he had fitted the carb washers (included part numbers) on whatever date...


There is no legal requirement for a restriction certificate, and nothing official about the certificates that are given out with the restriction kits.

Well thought out piece of legislation.

All the best

Keith


Ya, but that still doesn't mean they cant take his bike to prove it if they want to check though, right?
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 17 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimma wrote:
Ya, but that still doesn't mean they cant take his bike to prove it if they want to check though, right?


True, but you have the right to have that done at a later date, and then you can run rings around them in court over the calibration of the dyno.

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 26 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got asked to do a producer. I wasn't even riding the bloody bike! i had broken down and I had to leave it in a car park near my school and get to school. I went to get it to push into the school grounds (obviously no helmet as i was pushing it) and then a copper drives around the corner, "is that your bike" lol well yes I have the keys here... I showed him that it wouldn't start and explained the problem that had occurred in the morning. They checked that the bike was mine. It had tax on in and everything but I had left my wallet in school so I didn't have my license with me Evil or Very Mad so they asked me to do a producer,I didn't have restrictors in or a certificate. I just went there and gave them the docs I did have and she didn't turn the slip over to reveal Number 7, any other docs (The certificate) so I got away with it Very Happy Very lucky though
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 26 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

as dmahon said

YOU
DO
NOT
NEED
A
CERTIFICATE

Ive had loads of producers, (some fair, speeding without them having proof, scraping pegs on industrial estates. And some completely unfair like in a private car park, with the keys out.) Every single time ive been to the station i havent been asked for a cerificate, this is because they arent a legal document its basically an official looking peice of paper which people think you need. This is how they get away with charging £200 for 4 washers and a piece of paper, because people think they have to!?!?

The only reason you need a certifcateisbecause some insurers want to see one. I dont know who these are because ive never been asked.

Instigator i dont think they will have much chance in court, especially if you restrict your bike before it is tested. You could do all manner of things. Upjet so it is richer than bill gates, disconnect a coil at the low tension side, gaffer tape over the airbox and poke a hole in the tape (leaving it much smaller than standard) I doubt theres any way they could prove it wasnt like that when he got pulled.
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