Three Points or do a Course

[Walloper]

I got done for 35 in a thirty last Nov in Newcastle
I opted to take the Speed awareness Course offered by Northumbrian Police.
It means you don't get points or fined.

(My insurance NCD is shot to hell anyway so I need to keep ma heid doon.)

I posted last year and said I would up date on the matter.

So I attended and was surprised to see all the folk on the course were caught for the same sort of offence. 35mph.
If you were doing more you dont get the option.

The course explained how speed kills.
Briefly then:

At 30 you may kill some one if you hit them
At 35-40 you most probably will.
It was clear enuf to me and not really a con trick
The Scammeras were 'FULLY' explained.

All the shite we read about Scam cams is just that
There are strict government rules for camera schemes and one of them is that there needs to be two serious accidents at the location before a site is considered.

I passed the course so now drive 28-30-31 in 30.
Converted.

There was tons of stats too.


Now. I'm open to a bombardment from all the malcontents at BCF.
But I'm ready for boarders.

It costs 65 pounds and lasts three hours.

BMF should look at getting us all on it (For a discount ).
If you want to stay alive or not kill some poor f*cker.
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[feef]

if you hit someone at 30, then it suggests you were speeding, since you've prolly braked befor impact. So they're saying it's okay to speed as long as you get down t o30 before you hit the kids, because they stand more chance of surving?

2 accidents at camera spots?

it Doesn't have to be a speed related accident.

reverse into something and damage (council) property
accident
knock someone down at 25mph?
Accident

so they can now put a camera up in that spot.

it's all propaganda.

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[Walloper]

Children children

Hiting someone at 30 would kill them.
If you read (CAN YOU ) your highway code book it states clearly that there are reasons for maintaining a thirty speed limit.

It's called thinking, braking and overall STOPPING distance.
So if you THINK you will hit someone at THIRTY
You will have had time to think and time to stop.
You will hit them, if you do, at much less velocity that 'thirty'.


For your information:
"needs to be two SERIOUS accidents at the location before a site is considered."

If you reverse into someone at thirty is would be serious.

Siggi?????

You two are just pulling my leg you pair of scallywaggs.
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[Walloper]

https://www.slower-speeds.org.uk/prjune02.htm

And inappropriate use of speed is controlled by???
Cops and cameras.

I got some shopping in at the Met ro Centre.
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[syl]

Three points (and a £60 fine) or do a £65 course? The course every time to avoid the insurance hike and possible loss of licence under totting up.

The rest of your post is crap though. You fell for the Scamera propaganda.

How much does the Scamera partnership get from each course? Looks like they are in a win-win situation whichever you choose (unless you choose to go to court, where they don't get anything no matter what the verdict).
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[Walloper]

[akaDAVE]

Sounds like the brainwashing course worked then.

I understand the dangers of speeding but it seems that logic is not applied when limits are set so I lose respect for them.

Interesting facts about different speeds and death but I think overall it's how quick you see the person in the road that counts and if you're watching your speedo you won't see them.

Near where I live there is a long straight road that is wide open with clear pathways on each side set back over 3 yards from the road, the houses are a futher 30ft back from that with clear views and low walls all around.
If I was riding/driving down that road at 45mph I would challenge anyone to hide and then run out and touch me before I could stop dead.
Half a mile down the road there is a stretch of seafront road alongside a very busy green area - kids kicking footballs around, dogs, horses, ice cream vans, old women pulling out, throwing doors open without looking, bad parking, litter in the road, terrible road surface, blind junctions to the right and the speed limit is....? 60mph! ???
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[Andy C]

as much as i hate to say it, i think that the average speed camera are a really good idea in area where lots of accidents happen. everyone keeps their speed down and arnt dangerous like normal ones that make you slam on the brakes if you dont see them

and yea, if your doing 40 in a 30 you are unlikly to hit someone at 40 due to braking etc like many have said already

Sounds better than point though!!!
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[Walloper]

Not this shite again.

Every-bloody-line has to be picked apart by those willing.
There is never a shortage of phannies @BCF.. (No offence Phantom matey.)

I think the stats are scientifically corroborated.
Have been the some for years.

Go here.

https://www.hintsandthings.co.uk/garage/stopmph.htm

Those who have contradicted my post are free to do so, but read carefully and absorb the data before you blurt.

We will try to arrange a test.
One of the 'non-conformists' stands at a point 25 ft from a marker where I apply my brake.
1st at 30mph
Then at 35
then 40.
Anyyou cool doodz brave enuf?
Have you been brain washed to think differently by Hollywood Special Effects?

And vehicle mass effects stopping distance tooo....
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[stinkwheel]

Well, I for one would love to be sent on such a course.

I would go armed with loads of peer reviewed statistical data. I would also make them cry by insisting they corroborate their claims. I'm used to tearing drug reps apart when they try to sell me stuff on the basis of spurious statistics and studies.

If a claim isn't published in a reputable, peer reviewed journal, it is not worth the paper it is written on.
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[Walloper]

In addition:

Over the years "stopping distances" have been argued as no longer appropriate for today's modern "high tech" vehicles, often equipped with sophisticated braking systems and on board computers
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But not everyone drives modern "high tech" vehicles
Picture the driver with a highly modified 10 year old vehicle
Fitted with a state of the art music system
And a state of the art lighting system: often underneath the car
With a braking system that uses 10 year old technology
Driven by someone with 10 months driving experience

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That's why "stopping distances" haven't attempted to keep up with technology
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[Walloper]

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[stinkwheel]

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[Mrs Kickstart]

Hi.

See Safespeed for the alternative side of the story and the problems with the goverment stats.

I belive the emphasis should be on avoiding the accident not on how fast you hit someone. You can kill yourself just falling over walking in the right circumstances.

Speed Camera do not stop speeding, they may inform the police some was speeding. In may cases it has seen traffic diverted from main roads to minor less suitable roads which is not good for accidents.

Also an accident can be maked as due to speed regardless of the limit. For example pile on the motorway due to taffic travelling at 60 mph with thick fog and very low visability could be recorded and excessive speed for the circumstances.

Some of their stats may be right but they will not have given a balanced opinion

Regards
Charlotte
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[bostonshirede...]

"But the study — by The AA Motoring Trust-led European Road Assessment Programme (EuroRAP), which rates roads for the risk they represent to their users — shows that many are innocent victims of unforgiving road design, poor road maintenance, or the failure of drivers to "think bike". Four out of ten bikers are killed at junctions, most in collisions with cars, and previous studies have shown that in more than half those cases the car driver was at fault."

From ure very own website that u just quoted

People of cause are more likely to die on a bike or walking than in car, thats common sence

Speed does not kill, speed enhances the effects of an accident
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[stinkwheel]

So let me get this straight, is this a 'course' that you have to pass or just attend?

ie. Is it possable to 'fail'?

If you can fail this course because you don't agree with what the course supervisors are saying then it isn't a course and definately IS brainwashing. Even the most anally retentive of university professors would give you fair marks in an exam if you wrote an essay contradicting everything they taught you providing you were able to back it up.

Quick Aside:

I will be out on my bike at the weekend and fully intend to break every speed limit I go through. As I do every time I go out on my bike and have done for the last eleven years (or 160,000 miles at a conservative estimate).
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[Walloper]

[Walloper]

It's got fuck all to with where you stick your toes ya daft bastart.
It's about trying to keep folk alive.

You have chosen to turn this into a vendetta for your own personal fulfilment.
Again.......
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[stinkwheel]

[bostonshirede...]

Come on, surely everyone can see giving someone 3 points and a 60 quid fine for doing 35 in a 30 at 3am is not in the public intrest but mearly a money making scam?
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[Walloper]

I have an opinion, I can debate.
If reasoned.

The man who was driving to work started early 05:00.
Thinks, No one around at this hour I can give it some.
Milk boy delivering milk thinks, No one around at this hour I don't need to check the road for traffic.
Bang.
Milk boy dead.
Motorist surprised and feeling like shit.

Statistically you are on thin ice.

Firstly. For offering to bash anyone who disagrees with you. You will be plastered some day.

Secondly. Your attitude to road safety.

Thirdly. Your wish to inflict injury and pain on yourself.

I am not brain washed. I can, as most at BCF can, make decisions based on reasonable evidence without going to the extremes of reality to prove a lesser point is the real issue.

I am not going to call you names, use foul language, or goad you anymore.
You may not be of sound mind and could try to pop the next soul who upsets you with one of your guns.
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[bostonshirede...]

Unfortuantely, statistically you are also on dodgy ground.

The majority of accidents are caused by somebody making a mistake, either not seeing somebody or failing to act, speed then amplifies the effects of this accident, speed on its own does cause accidents, but a lot less than dodgy road surfaces, defective brakes and bad observation do.

The only way to prevent accidents is for no one to move, ever, then you cant bump into anyone or thing, but how fun would that be?
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