ZX7R Wheelie's

[killa]

First I must mention that through my biking years I haven’t tried a lot of stunts, I’ve done stoppies on my scramblers and had to repair rear shocks, I’ve wheelied my Aprilia Rx50 until the front seals went, I must admit they weren’t that impressive, probably due to the power.
I’m no good at stunting, I find that when I did manage to wheelie the VFR, it came down like a ton of bricks, I shat a brick because I didn’t like the feeling of going backwards and it worried me that I might have to repair something again.

Yesterday I was in town on the Kwak, it was very warm and she was running very sweet. Off of some lights I took it to about 15mph and dipped the clutch for a second with some hard throttle, the front came up but only very little. It felt good and the power kind of settled it down, I wanted to do it again because I thought I might have the hang of it, but when I tried either it was nerves or the technique, I couldn’t lift it.
I had the feeling that if it did come up I’d panic and smack the front down with the rear brake, or that the bike didn’t have enough power.
I guess I don’t know what the margin is for doing it right and holding the throttle steady once airborne, I think about losing the technique and giving it too much, resulting in me coming off the back of it.

Any advice?

Killa
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Sit further back on the seat than normal and lean back so your arms are perfectly straight, pull off as normal to save the clutch plates. As you get to 10-15mph accelarate hard. This should bring the front up pretty gently and you wont "fall back over yanking the bars as your already at arms length. If you get scared twist right hand forwards bike will drop straight back down. Also just before it hits the floor put about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle on this should give it a smoother landing.
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[Dark]

A standard ZX7R will not lift on power alone at any speed no matter where you sit, even yanking on the bars won't get her to lift more than a few inches.

The only way i could get my old one to wheelie was too get her up to 5,000 rpm in first, dip the clutch and rev her to 7,500 rpm, jab the back brake and dump the clutch. She would come up like a good un then. Then as the bike reaches the balance point back the throttle off to the 5,000 rpm position again and she will just sit there all day.

The balance point on the 7R for me was easier to percieve visually. I sat fairly upright and i knew i'd reached the balance point when i was looking through the screen at the horizon.

The throttle control is the key though, you need to be able to hold the throttle at 5,000 rpm without having to look, you should know axactly where that throttle position is. Next you need to know where 7,500rpm is, then you need to know exactly how much you need to turn the throttle to get from 5,000 rpm to 7,500 rpm. Get that ingrained in your hand and head.

So all you need is two throttle positions subconciously programmed in your head, a hefty jab of the rear brake, a controlled dab on the clutch and your away.
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[numark1]

I prefer this method now.........

2nd gear at about 30-40 rev the bike to (about 10 on my zzr) then dump the clutch. The front comes up nice and slowly at a very controlable rate. I then run out of steam at about 75-80 with the wheel still up (fuck up the gear change) then the wheel hits the deck.

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[McGee]

And if you do it in town make sure there are plenty of hotties to see you do it.

A lot may think what a wanker, but one will be wanting to rip her panties off for ya
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@ Dark

Maybe trying to get him to work the balance point etc in his first wheelies isnt the best idea

@ Killa

Just in first, get to about 30, close throttle abit then pull it hard on.

Front will float up.

Dont get too cocky too early, as power wheelie tend to suddenly flip. But id imagine you'll enjoy getting used to the front in the air.

My advice, keep away from clutching it until you are used to getting the front up. Ive been off of biking since last summer basically (had a few weeks at easter mind you) cos of uni, and my wheelying is a bit pants now. So im sticking to power wheelies till i get abit more confidence back.

The couple of clutched ive done have been more ragged then a badgers arse.
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[Dark]

Good point Bonny, i may have neglected to say be careful and take is steady, but i'll be surprised if he could get it to lift without the use of the clutch.

Keep us posted Killa
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[numark1]

I would do powerwheelies until you get used to the front floating but they are amateur wheelies, too fast and not as controlled.

Clutch for the win. Although if you pratice loads you better learn how to replace clutch plates/ fork seals.

[Dark]

The ZX7R is very very front heavy. I did Jimmy Fireblade's wheelie school on my old one and he demonstrated how to wheelie my bike on my bike, which was very cool to watch, and he said that power wheelieing a ZX7R is nigh on impossible.

Clutching it up isn't anywhere near as aggressive as you'd imagine on the 7R, between 5000 and 7500 rpm its quite docile in fact, but once you add the jab of the rear brake it shoots up into the air nicely. Also the balance point is quite high compared to some other bikes i've ridden so it takes a bit more to loop it.

A mate of mine had problems shifting into second on his TL1000 and he found that he was rushing the change. He conciously throttled quite far past the balance point before he attempted the change and slowed the gear lever action down, by the time the change was complete the bike was had only dropped back a smidge below the balance point and it didn't take a lot of throttle input to get the bike to sit properly again.
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[killa]

Hmmm, i have tried the power wheelie, it does seem to just want to hug the floor.
I need to practice maybe at getting that torquey point where it wants to rag.
So would you guys say that the margin for error using the clutch is quite short?

I dont want to do it a couple of times and then just think 'F*ck it' and flip over. I guess i just dont know how hard it is to flip.

Thanks for your advice guys...
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Just start low with the clutch - rev a little, dump and it probably won't come up.
Rev a bit more, comes up a little.

Shouldn't end on your arse if you use common sense (which includes not dumping enough power through the clutch to get to the balance point first time ).

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Also worth noting that hitting the revlimiter on the back wheel can cause bikes to self-destruct and explode

[Dark]

Hi Sparks!, i'm pretty sure i could still see through the screen whilst
at what i would call the balance point, granted it was only just and the front wheel obscured the vision a little.

The balance point as far as i know is where the front wheel is neither moving up or down at a constant throttle.

and ok, i agree, quite a bit past the balance point will result in looping the bike. It was probably a gnats c0ck past the balance point but it felt like quite a bit to my mate, its all relative.

Once you get the 7R up and balanced its great for fast wheelies, its just getting it there.
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Killa I have a zx7r too! Power wheelie aint gonna happen the zx7r was designed for race and handles so well due to being fornt heavy! I have spokent o loads of 7r owners and they all say dont bother wheeling the 7 it doesnt like it and when u let it down it will generally go down harder than most. I have pulled wheelies on mine generally revving the bike fairly hard and dumping but compared to other bikes i have riden the 7r is not my 1st choice of bike to wheelie on the other hand fuck me does it handle!!!

[killa]

K...Had a go last night on a country road, i did get the girl up a few times, granted i think they were a little fast because of the way i brought it up.
She definatly doesnt like the return to the tarmac, i might be able to perfect it but i think it is worth hanging back as i cant afford to break things.....

Cheers for the tips people!

Killa

Edit:- Just to add, what is it like bringing up a big twin, easier? harder?
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[Dark]

The best way i found to land a wheelie on the 7R was to give it a big handful when its two thirds of the way down (if theres enough room to do it) that smooths the landing down.

I've only ridden a MilleR but that was very easy to wheelie, it was actually quite viscious in first, but seemed very contollable
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