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lllN30lll
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: been caught speeding, but can i get away with it? 56k bad Reply with quote

righto, went for a ride with a mate of mine today on a 05 Bandit 6, went around the local area's for a quick ride, going down a road at about 70 in a 50 zone i suddenly see white speed camera lines on the road, i try to brake but it's too late.

i see the double flash in my mirror and see my mate with his back wheel locked up tryin to slow down enough.

what i wanna know is, are they allowed to have the cameras overgrown with tree's?

there was absolutely no signage on the road stating that there's speed cameras around, is this allowed?


any info and tips would be appreciated

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PostPosted: 14:36 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a Stupidly placed camera and i'm pretty sure the safety camera partnership are responsible for making sure trees and hedges are cut back.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, 50mph duel carraigeway with a central reservation. And they put a camera on it.

As to the camera being hidden. That is irrelevant. Cameras being visable is merely a guideline that those running the cameras are free to ignore when they feel like it. Only thing is that they should not get the revenue from a hidden camera (although they are specifically allowed to hide a certain percentage of cameras). Has no effect on the speeding ticket at all.

Best bet is to go along to Pepipoo and have a good read up.

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PostPosted: 15:30 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm i just found this from a legality site

Visibility of fixed site enforcement cameras (including digital cameras):
All camera housings (existing and new) should be visible to road users and not obscured behind bridges, signs, trees or bushes. The minimum visibility distance should be 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less and 100 metres for all other limits.

hopefully it'll help my case
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol? its quite sad 2 actually think u wasted your time taking about a million photos of one speed camera Razz
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will you say when in court when they say "were you doing 70mph in a 50mph zone, yes or no?"
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
All camera housings (existing and new) should be visible to road users and not obscured behind bridges, signs, trees or bushes. The minimum visibility distance should be 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less and 100 metres for all other limits.


Those are the relevant words. That the camera operators have ignored the guidelines has no effect on using their output as evidence.

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PostPosted: 15:51 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NC30, persoanlly if i was you i would get some hedge trimmers and go back there today, stop in that layby and cut the tree back so that everyone can now see the camera!!!

Im being completely serious, think of all the tickets you would save, not like you can get arrested for cutting tree either!!!

Go cut it now and take a pic Thumbs Up thats what i would do!!
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah the gov would see this as a threat to their revenue and send round hit men , much like criminal damage holds a MUCH heavier sentence when done against Gatsos.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm personally i would say that you should have noticed that one Confused

I can see it in all the pictures pretty much and the lines are a giveaway Sad
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

true added to the fact that your eyes are infinately higher resolution.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the reason the speed camera is there is due to the fact there is a staggered junction up ahead, which looks as though it could be a bit blind, so you was probably a little stupid to be doing 70 along there anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Method wrote:
Hmmm personally i would say that you should have noticed that one Confused

I can see it in all the pictures pretty much and the lines are a giveaway Sad


Yes, but you try spotting that at 50mph - much less 70mph. And the the lines?? You usually only notice those just after you had seen the camera as you expect them to be there and then look for them. What if it was night? You wouldn't see the lines then until it as to late and the leaves might well prevent the camera's reflective backing from being visable. Looking out for the lines as a specific marker is just hindsight in this case.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go back in the early hours with a tyre, sling it over the top, fill it with petrol and light it.

Problem sorted.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It flashed you doing 70, hidden or not you where speeding. I don't know what happens in this situation. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
It flashed you doing 70, hidden or not you where speeding. I don't know what happens in this situation. Thumbs Up


Errr. he will get a letter though his letterbox Wink
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
It flashed you doing 70, hidden or not you where speeding. I don't know what happens in this situation. Thumbs Up


Being caught by a camera is just an excuse to indulge in speed camera vandalism, in my opinion. Especially if it's a manual one, not a digital.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but if they do make a complaint about it being hidden, which it clearly is, i don't know what happens about the speeding as they where both in the wrong. Very Happy (Not that speeding is wrong) Wink
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

inject insulation foam into the little hole in the back and watch it pop Very Happy Top gear style innit
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Looks like a Stupidly placed camera and i'm pretty sure the safety camera partnership are responsible for making sure trees and hedges are cut back.


They proabably forgot that one Liar

Its the same as putting cameras behind road signs Mad Safety my arse, more like a nice little earner Wink
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kam wrote:
inject insulation foam into the little hole in the back and watch it pop Very Happy Top gear style innit



Was being done Loooong before Top Gear mentioned it.




lllN30lll wrote:
hmmm i just found this from a legality site

Visibility of fixed site enforcement cameras (including digital cameras):
All camera housings (existing and new) should be visible to road users and not obscured behind bridges, signs, trees or bushes. The minimum visibility distance should be 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less and 100 metres for all other limits.

hopefully it'll help my case


Yes but Nature is Nature and when it was put ther is was probably visible.....Funny thing about nature is it makes things like trees and bushes grow. Shocked Shocked

You say local roads, so you should know the speed limits even if you couldn't be 'bothered' to read the sighns. 20Mph over the limit on roads local to you Hmmmmm. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about it like this. Bushes provide EXCELLENT cover.

Borrow a cordless hammer drill with a metal drill bit.

Drill in near the top (looks like its quite low and on hedge so should be easy). Fill with petrol through drilled hole. Bottle with tube attached, turn upside down to empty petrol. Add abit of oil/polystyrene first if you want to be extra sure it burns well.

If you have a spare tyre kicking about add that. But the objective is to destroy the film inside the unit (which you never know might not have actually been in there, they still flash).

Either way, FILL with lots and lots of petrol, light, covertly bugger off.

Oh, and take down the pictures/desc of where this camera is first before some helpful cunt (the type who grass on people using their hose to the waterboard Rolling Eyes) spots its torched and tells the fuzz.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rookie wrote:
Go back in the early hours with a tyre, sling it over the top, fill it with petrol and light it.

Problem sorted.


LOL, Thats exactly what I was about to suggest. Sounds the best plan to me.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 24 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kam wrote:
inject insulation foam into the little hole in the back and watch it pop Very Happy Top gear style innit


Brilliant method Laughing

I think the old method of torching the fooker is just as fun Twisted Evil
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