Concerning Speed

[Walloper]

[Didge]

Quite obviously, Walloper is one of those simple types who believe everything the government say.
The government says "Speed kills", so Walloper believes it. Bless.

[Krakatoa]

The first problem here, is the majority of us are biased. Here`s the acid test, replace speed with guns. How many of us are prepared to defend those?

The guys fighting the law are kind of taking the piss too. Laws are there to remind us etc. Like a friend saying `I wouldn`t do that if i was you`. Most of us, as biker`s, ignore our friend. Choosing to tazz off down the road. As the saying goes, don`t do the crime if you dont want the time.

The only way forward with a speeding policy, is zero tolerance. This will never happen mind you(too many police people enjoy speeding too ). Speeding is also an easy target to pick on.

Thankfully, as bikers, we`re slipping further under the net as bikes get better and faster. We`ll still get picked on now and then, as most people don`t understand us, and also we`re a minority.

So, don`t worry about the powers that be, worry about quietly, constantly taking the piss instead .
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[Walloper]

[dew]

SPEED NEVER KILLS. It's the way you stop that may kill you!
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[Didge]

[Mockey]

here here!
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[Walloper]

"I'm neither podgy nor your pal, and your pathetic attempts at humour do nothing to prove anything other than the fact that you know nothing about the facts concerning speeding and RTAs.
Thus you blindly follow the Government lie that "speed kills"."

Fatty Old Wrinkley Knob or whatever you wish to be known as, you have dared to question the wisdom of a superior being.

That last "attempt" at a retort by you has made be think carefully about this speeding thread.

Looking over the facts again I conclude two things.

Speed Kills!

You can't see the wood for the trees.

Are you still here Mockey ya PLEB?
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[Didge]

[Walloper]

[Mockey]

[Kickstart]

[Walloper]

What do speed and stopping distance have in common?
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[Walloper]

What do speed and stopping distance have in common?

That is my argument concerning speed.

It can't be altered.
At 40 you travel further before stopping than at 30, 20, 10, 5 etc.

The government's stance is based on sound evidence that excess speed increases a drivers TIME to come to a halt and therefore the distance. It is the extra distance that people are caught in.
If we ignore over-speeding and don't have proper control. We end up driving like Africans, Arabs or Asians.

Have you seen their cars?
Bashed to bits.
Something to do with speed there.
If you drive at 5mph you will have time to stop.
If you drive as fast as you can when will you stop?

This speed scamera antidisestablishmentairianism crap I read on bcf is just the usual non conformist am a big hairy biker revolutionary type and do as I think fit stuff.

Speed cameras and other speed control is not going to go away my learned (and unlearned friends).
If anything it will become tighter.
Because humans by nature do not behave well in society.
They push the limit.
Evolutionary/Darwinian or what ever it's related too.
Government or Big Brother hasn't much to do with it.
Easiest tax in the world to avoid if it is a tax you can avoid.
DO NOT SPEED (Get Caught) and you will not have to suffer Speed Tax.

Mockey m' old Sherbet Fountain, I know what a PLEB is..

You are one!!!
The spell checker offered 'PLEB' in place of mockey.
Cool......
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[Kickstart]

[Mockey]

[natv4]

[Walloper]

[Walloper]

Natv4
Me racist?
I was not being racist.

If you live in those countries you will probable be told by a whopping great majority of THE INDIGENOUS peoples that, unlike UK, it is dangerous to be on the road there.

No real driving tests or standards with very little worthwhile law enforcement.

And ego has a part in it too.

Racism is: (wikidpeadia)

Racism is commonly defined as a belief or doctrine where inherent biological differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, with a corollary that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. [1]

The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group (ethnocentrism),[2] fear of difference (xenophobia), views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation),[3] and nationalism,[4] regardless of any explicit belief in superiority or inferiority imbedded within such views or preferences. Racism has been used to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide.

The term racist, when used to describe someone who supports racism, has been a pejorative term since at least the 1940s, and the identification of a group or person as racist is nearly always controversial.

Be sure of what you are talking about before making any accusation you toaly.

I was NOT being racist. I did not decry the people's creed, colour or belief.
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[Walloper]

Mockeeeeeee..........
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[Mockey]

[Walloper]

[feef]

Walloper:

Can you provide us with any documentary proof that enforcing the current speed limits with cameras is making the roads safer than they used to be?

Can you demonstrate to us with evidence what percentage of accidents were CAUSED by speed?

There's a whole load of reports and research that has been carried out by universities, independent organisations as well as government agencies themselves, all of which have conclusive proof that the speed-camera system does Not save lives, nor reduce accident statistics. Indeed, in many cases, the presence of a camera has made the situation worse.

The government will not recognise these facts, because they do not wish to appear foolish for pursuing this avenue so intensely, nor do they want to lose the revenue from the cameras.

IF cameras are so effective, then why are they making money?

as far as the government's claims regarding cameras and speeding:

a camera reduces the incidence of speeding, ergo the camera should generate less and less revenue over time.

This is known to be wrong. Cameras are Not reducing the incidence of speeding.

Enforcing speed above all other factors, including driver education, is doing more damage to our driving safety than anything else. The more we do to take away control and decision making from the drivers, the more lazy they will become. We need to make drivers MORE aware of what they are doing, not have systems in place to do it for them.

A perfect example is GPS systems.. many cars have ended up stuck in a deep ford in somerset, because the GPS told them to go that way. They ignored the signs, they made no decisions.. they followed the instructions blindly. yes, there is a road there, but is it appropriate.

equally, yes, a speed is specified, but is it appropriate.

To take your argument to it's logical conclusion, we'll eventually need speed limit signs at every bend, at every corner.. after all.. we can't afford to have people driving along country roads at 60mph.. what if they come to a bend? We'd better tell them that when they come to a bend, they should slow down a bit.

I've never met such a naive attitude to cameras and speeding.

yes, inappropriate speed for the conditions is wrong. Blindly enforcing speed limits irrespective of the conditions and circumstance is equally wrong.

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[Walloper]

Do not take it all so literally feef.
I am aware that we need more education than legislation.
But will you go and do the extra time & 'pay' to learn how to drive safely? Yes? No?
I bet few people would.
Most folk do not think of road safety much.
They get in the car and drive to where ever.
If they have an accident enroute the old insurance covers it.
1st thing they think of is the no-claims discount.
Not 'How can I improve my driving?'

More police on the roads to control speed, I do not think, will ever be an option.
And though cameras are NOT the solution for every site,
there are places where cameras do help prevent speed related accidents.
I think 100 bloody useless speed cameras cost less than the life of someone's kid.

We drive like morons.
So we are treated as such.
It is only control to a small degree.
You exagerate on the bends matter.
But I sse your point.
I do not wish to be 'ruled' off the road but current behaviour is dictating this.
Perhaps we need to modify the complaint to:

Cameras should be used in only in places which will benefit from static speed enforcement.

And for those who have requested:
The North East (N'Castle) camera partnership have 'personally' assured me that government makes no profit from speed cameras.
The revenue is channeled back into the program to promote road safety. Not only through cameras but EDUCATION.....

And....
I can drive past a speed camera WITHOUT looking down at my speedo for the whole time it take to pass the 'danger zone'.
I can't remember being told to look at my speedo to control speed.
I allways thought you use the speedo only to check perception.
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[natv4]