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PostPosted: 09:23 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Case for Speed Cameras 'Destroyed' Reply with quote

What we all knew already, but it's nice to have people agree with you!


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A review of the Government's speed cameras policy was demanded yesterday after official statistics showed that only five per cent of crashes are caused by drivers breaking the speed limit.

Drivers who let their attention wander cause more than six times as many accidents.

Campaigners seized on the figures and demanded: "In that case, why are there so many cameras?"

Paul Smith, of Safe Speed, which has led the campaign, said the Government's case for continuing to install cameras had been destroyed.

"Even those statistics are flawed, because they could include a joy-rider who is going at 100mph and no camera will ever stop him," he said. "They are spinning like tops to justify the camera programme."

Motoring groups called for a broader approach to road safety and a revaluation of the £95 million camera project.

Edmund King, the chief executive of the RAC Foundation, said: "The figures suggest that all drivers need to concentrate more on the road rather than on their phones, passengers, music, food, drinks, navigation systems and the clutter of signs."

Chris Grayling, the Tories' transport spokesman, called for greater use of police patrol cars, rather than cameras, to deal with the menace of "rogue drivers".

There are more than 5,400 camera sites in England and Wales, which raised £113 million in fines in 2004-5.

The Department of Transport insisted that, while driver error accounted for 66 per cent of accidents, motorists going too fast for the conditions, irrespective of the speed limit, accounted for 29 per cent of crashes.

The analysis rekindled the speed camera argument and raised questions over whether the Government would meet the road safety targets it had set itself. The figures showed that the number of people killed on the roads last year fell to 3,201, one per cent fewer than in the previous year. The 28,954 people seriously injured represented a seven per cent fall on 2004. The Government has said it wants the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads to be reduced to 40 per cent of the 1994-8 average by 2010.

Its figures, based on information sent to the Government by police forces, show that the tally has dropped by 33 per cent.

But analysis of hospital data sent to the Department of Health painted a very different picture, suggesting that the drop in the number of deaths had been minimal.

A study of the figures in the British Medical Journal said the gap between police and hospital data indicated that the Government was unlikely to meet its casualty reduction targets.

"It is hard to ascertain why there should be such a wide divergence in these figures," said one of the authors of the article, Mike Gill, professor of public health at Surrey University.

"There are two main contenders for the discrepancy in my view. First, there is an unintended effect of drink-drive legislation.

"While one cannot avoid police intervention when there is a fatality, when somebody is hurt it may be tempting to shuffle people off to casualty and keep schtum.

"Also, dedicated traffic patrols have been reduced and therefore there is less likely to be police intervention in all cases."

However, Prof Gill was reluctant to suggest that the study undercut the case for speed cameras.

"We don't know what the figures would have been otherwise," he said.

Andrew Howard, of the AA Motoring Trust, supported the Government's analysis and the speed camera programme. "Human beings make mistakes," he said. "So the only thing that can be done is to mitigate their impact and that means slowing the car down."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/29/nspeed29.xml
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Re: Case for Speed Cameras 'Destroyed' Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
What we all knew already....
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...Chris Grayling, the Tories' transport spokesman, called for greater use of police patrol cars, rather than cameras, to deal with the menace of "rogue drivers"....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/29/nspeed29.xml

Thumbs Up As said I think we knew this. I'd rather be concentrating on the road and conditions rather than a little dial telling me my speed.

BTW someone should tell the Tories spokesman that the police can have motorcycles as well Rolling Eyes Very Happy

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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:38 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:20 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest (and I am seriously being devils advocate here), if they're gonna use cameras, it should be the digital 'average speed' ones...

And this should only be around schools, and in built up areas, or where it really is a serious danger to speed
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 29 Sep 2006    Post subject: Re: Case for Speed Cameras 'Destroyed' Reply with quote

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The Department of Transport insisted that, while driver error accounted for 66 per cent of accidents, motorists going too fast for the conditions, irrespective of the speed limit, accounted for 29 per cent of crashes.



what this is really saying, is that, sometimes, 40mph is excessive speed in a 60mph zone.....where the speed cameras would be set to 68mph....and of no use in that circumstance........and they are using this to defend the safety cameras...

their own argument for saferty cameras destroys itself. impressive stuff. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally have no concerns with safety cameras being used for what they were intended for i.e to cut speed at DANGEROUS places on a section of road. However this is rarely the case, and even Mr Gatso himslef is appalled at their usage.
On my drive/ride to work I pass 19 cameras in 12 miles. I can only remember 2 fatalities on this stretch of road, but the locals campaigned for cameras and won !
These figures simply show the government are lying again, what a surprise. They will make figures show whatever they want anyway to justify what they want to do, just as they have in the past.
People simply need to read the road and drive accordingly, but 95% do not have the ability to do this, even when they are actually concentrating on what they are doing, rather than singing, talking eating etc.
I would rather see an increase in highly visible patrol cars to deter/catch these idiot drivers, and a reducion in scameras, but thats just my opinion.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats more efective at slowing you down? a speed camera, a speed camera sign or the big LED signs that tell you to slow down when your going too fast?
personally i feel better with the latter as there put up where there is a high risk of killing or being killed
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaman wrote:
whats more efective at slowing you down? a speed camera, a speed camera sign or the big LED signs that tell you to slow down when your going too fast?
personally i feel better with the latter as there put up where there is a high risk of killing or being killed

I think the slow down signs are all thats needed, people just seem to take notice of them Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon the slow-down signs are most effective... they're certainly more visible so there's no jammin' on the breaks when you spot one tucked behind a bush, and for me, it feels like someone's actually watchin me, and I feel almost ashamed about tankin past em. Works for me anyhow.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with having speed cameras around schools, and in traffic accident blackspots (There is a road near Cardiff called 5-mile lane in which dozens of people have been killed in the last decade - I am glad they've put HIGHLY VISIBLE speed camera's along there).


But hidden ones put on main roads where no one was really doing any harm cause more problems than they solve by forcing drivers to panic and slam on the brakes.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
I agree with having speed cameras around schools, and in traffic accident blackspots (There is a road near Cardiff called 5-mile lane in which dozens of people have been killed in the last decade - I am glad they've put HIGHLY VISIBLE speed camera's along there).


Speed cameras don't make the roads safer. There are ways of managing traffic - outside schools, for instance - that don't criminalise road users. That should be the first line of action, not "we need more scameras".
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
I agree with having speed cameras around schools, and in traffic accident blackspots (There is a road near Cardiff called 5-mile lane in which dozens of people have been killed in the last decade - I am glad they've put HIGHLY VISIBLE speed camera's along there).


But hidden ones put on main roads where no one was really doing any harm cause more problems than they solve by forcing drivers to panic and slam on the brakes.


I don't need a yellow box by a school making me look at my speedo when there are more important things to look at. If you've ever ridden/ driven past a school at kick out time, the double parking and excited, hyperactive children running around take all your attention to keep track of. I have taken detours to avoid having to go past primary schools at kickout time before.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
I agree with having speed cameras around schools, and in traffic accident blackspots (There is a road near Cardiff called 5-mile lane in which dozens of people have been killed in the last decade - I am glad they've put HIGHLY VISIBLE speed camera's along there).


But hidden ones put on main roads where no one was really doing any harm cause more problems than they solve by forcing drivers to panic and slam on the brakes.


you should see the cameras in Glossop , painted dark green next to hedges that are also dark green,
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put forward similar arguments about these money boxes on the side of the road.
I've noticed an increase in the number of members now taking it seriously.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the camera flashes on my way to work each morning It may seem cold but it aint THAT cold, and my engine is warming up fast.

Foreward facing, I reckon the same camera has flashed me well over 100 times.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:29 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
There are 3 types of lies. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. We are mushrooms to this government: Kept in the Dark and Fed on Sh!t.


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PostPosted: 12:10 - 09 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with those asking for flashing signs. But they should only be used in blackspots. That way you can think to yourself, there is a reason for this, now what is it and how can I protect myself.

That is a great idea.

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Cameras cause more accidents than they prevent. I've grabbed my brakes more than once and nearly lost it when suddenly spotting one of those revenue-poncing hazards. Evil or Very Mad
I would wonder why you were travelling faster than you could see. I take it back if you are talking about cameras which have been obscured.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me who feels compelled to speed up when approaching those slow down flashing neon signs ? I feel kind of let down if I fail to set them off.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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